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To: Sun Tzu who wrote (148639)10/23/2004 7:48:33 AM
From: jttmab
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Most importantly, welcome back.

It would be interesting to conduct a poll in the weeks prior to a, e.g., British or Canadian election and ask a similar question of Americans. ... or maybe a poll of Americans to name the current President [or PM] of Britain, Canada, China, France, and Germany.

Bush Receives Endorsement From Iran
..."We should not forget that most sanctions and economic pressures were imposed on Iran during the time of Clinton," Rowhani said of the former Democratic president. "And we should not forget that during Bush's era — despite his hard-line and baseless rhetoric against Iran — he didn't take, in practical terms, any dangerous action against Iran."


That was an interesting comment. Also from the same article.

Historically, Democrats have harmed Iran more than Republicans, said Hasan Rowhani, head of the Supreme National Security Council, Iran's top security decision-making body.

"We haven't seen anything good from Democrats," Rowhani told state-run television in remarks that, for the first time in recent decades, saw Iran openly supporting one U.S. presidential candidate over another.


I don't think they've seen anything good from Republicans either, but it's a matter of degree.

jttmab

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To: Win Smith who wrote (148770)10/23/2004 11:15:38 AM
From: Michael Watkins
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The lack of public understanding of what is real vs what is spin doesn't surprise me. And its not just spinmeister Rove that is to blame for this. Public ignorance is epidemic.

Clearly the public at large doesn't get more real news than the 5 minutes of sound-bites delivered between the local news show opening graphics and the cute weathergirl.

Somewhere in that 5 minutes, 3 minutes are taken up with stories of the latest local robbery, gun deaths, fatal traffic accident, and a "human interest" story on a dog/pig/bird/child/old house/guy who can tow a semi-trailer with nothing but a rope and his teeth.

30 seconds are devoted to the exit for "breaking for important messages" and saying hello to the sportscaster and flirting with the cute weather girl before launching into the final 90 seconds on important national and international news.

Most of that time is wasted on pictures of both candidates and their latest rally; absolutely none of it is devoted to critical analysis or expose of what is really happening in the world.

Fade to black...

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To: dumbmoney who wrote (148758)10/23/2004 11:47:27 AM
From: Neocon
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You are simply wrong.

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To: Michael Watkins who wrote (148757)10/23/2004 12:02:52 PM
From: Neocon
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The Soviet Union was nowhere near economic collapse, despite consumer dissatisfaction. Consider this: even Gorbachev did not feel compelled to follow the Chinese model, which had a proven track record in creating economic growth.

Gorbachev did not rise due to internal politics, but because of the success of Reagan in rallying the West against Breshnev's adventurism. The Kremlim was desperate to mount a peace offensive to lead to another round of "detente".

Computers and telecommunicatons did not hit critical mass until the next decade, and even then have not led to the toppling of the Chinese Communist regime. It is not very relevant.

We engaged in a classic tit for tat strategy: countering the Soviets if they were aggressive, rewarding them if they were conciliatory. In addition, they knew we could outspend them on Star Wars, and they were already spending a much greater proportion of their GDP on the military than we were, so they were anxious to undermine our interest in SDI. This helped to keep Gorbachev in power after the Kremlin became disillusioned with reform, and by the time they were willing to act against him, the political situation had evolved too much, and Yeltsin was able to resist the Kremlin.

You are not even a good historian, much less a good conservative.

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To: GST who wrote (148762)10/23/2004 12:15:44 PM
From: Neocon
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Should there be a draft for policemen? How about firemen? Is someone who has never been a policeman disqualified from being mayor? Is there the least bit of logic to what you are saying?

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To: stockman_scott who wrote (148769)10/23/2004 12:19:27 PM
From: Neocon
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Yes, this is the Buchananite wing of the conservative movement, the one that questions whether we should have entered World War II. But carry on........

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To: Tom C who wrote (148764)10/23/2004 12:38:56 PM
From: jlallen
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Facts are always "silly" to you pinhead types....

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To: Michael Watkins who wrote (148752)10/23/2004 12:40:12 PM
From: jlallen
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There's nothing wrong with being rich.....its how it affects your actions and the way you deal with people which is the difference between LB and THK.

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To: Neocon who wrote (148775)10/23/2004 12:41:55 PM
From: jlallen
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Bingo.....

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To: Neocon who wrote (148776)10/23/2004 12:48:24 PM
From: jlallen
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Its complete silliness of course...but consider the source....In our society our military service is now AVF. When you sign up you take your chances..... Also, I saw no such grousing from pinheads like GST when Clinton, who affirmatively evaded service, lied to his draft board and protested overseas sent our men into harm's way in numerous places around the globe.....

The pinhead hypocrisy and dishonesty is breathtaking.....

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