| To: michael97123 who wrote (143913) | 8/24/2004 3:47:36 PM | | From: jttmab | | | | Am i just showing my age or were candidates, campaigns and leaders better in the old days?
In the campaign for Presidency .... they accused T. Jefferson of having an illigitimate child with his slave.... [He most likely did.] But is that better? The good 'ol days.
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| To: Sig who wrote (143948) | 8/24/2004 4:07:58 PM | | From: GST | | | | <The comparison is just a bit foggy yet to me>
Iraq does not have the jungles of Vietnam -- perhaps that threw you off. But Iraq does have something that crippled us in Vietnam -- a cloud over the mission that is tearing this country (not to mention Iraq) apart. |
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| To: jttmab who wrote (143950) | 8/24/2004 4:09:37 PM | | From: Dr. Id | | | | <<Am i just showing my age or were candidates, campaigns and leaders better in the old days?>>
In the campaign for Presidency .... they accused T. Jefferson of having an illigitimate child with his slave.... [He most likely did.] But is that better? The good 'ol days.
jttmab
By "better in the old days", I'm guessing that he meant brighter and more competent. In regard to the current president, there has never been a president who was less bright or less competent. |
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| To: jttmab who wrote (143950) | 8/24/2004 4:10:00 PM | | From: Dr. Id | | | | <<Am i just showing my age or were candidates, campaigns and leaders better in the old days?>>
In the campaign for Presidency .... they accused T. Jefferson of having an illigitimate child with his slave.... [He most likely did.] But is that better? The good 'ol days.
jttmab
By "better in the old days", I'm guessing that he meant brighter and more competent. In regard to the current president, there has never been a president who was less bright or less competent. GWB has set a new standard for the word "lightweight". |
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| To: FaultLine who started this subject | 8/24/2004 4:13:56 PM | | From: longnshort | | | | "Scott O'Grady, the Air Force pilot who captured headlines in 1995 when he survived being shot down over Bosnia, on Friday said Sen. John Kerry committed "treason" during the Vietnam War.
O'Grady, in an appearance with other military veterans coordinated by President Bush's re-election campaign, said Kerry helped push North Vietnam's proposals for the United States to withdraw at a time when the two countries were still officially at war.
"I see that as treason," said O'Grady, who lives in Texas and has been speaking at veterans events for Bush around the country. He's now retired from the military.
....O'Grady said he was referring to Kerry's 1971 appearance before the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations. In response to a question about how he proposed to end the war, Kerry mentioned that he was involved in peace talks in Paris.
"I have talked with both delegations at the peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the Provisional Revolutionary Government," Kerry told the panel, according to a transcript.
A U.S. law prohibits citizens from negotiating with foreign governments on matters such as peace treaties."
I wonder how many people know John Kerry was meeting with and talking up the proposals of the North Vietnamese even while our soldiers were dying in the field? |
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| To: michael97123 who wrote (143940) | 8/24/2004 4:23:01 PM | | From: GST | | | | <I think that today there is a far greater cultural divide between prof soldier and civilian that existed then. I am sure that has to do with the lack of a draft today.>
While we do not have the draft today, we do have a war increasingly fought by calling up reserves who did not necessarily sign-up expecting to spend a year fighting in Iraq. Among those I have talked to, there is far from universal support for the war. Are they pot-smoking teenagers? No, they are usually people with families and jobs and pretty stable in every sense -- and they are not universally keen on going to Iraq. One can say, don't sign up if you do not want to be called up, and only time will tell whether the war in Iraq has an impact on recruitment. |
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| To: Sig who wrote (143948) | 8/24/2004 4:24:36 PM | | From: GST | | | | Rumsfeld, Military Leaders Faulted in Prison Abuse
1 hour, 39 minutes ago Add Top Stories - Reuters to My Yahoo!
By Charles Aldinger and Will Dunham
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Top Pentagon (news - web sites) officials and the military command in Iraq (news - web sites) contributed to an environment in which prisoners were abused at Abu Ghraib prison, according to a report released on Tuesday by high-level panel investigating the military detentions.
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| To: Dr. Id who wrote (143952) | 8/24/2004 4:26:06 PM | | From: jttmab | | | | I was merely addressing a historical reference for campaign smearing. It's been a popular hobby for 200 years....and I expect another 200 years.
In regard to the current president, there has never been a president who was less bright or less competent.
Bush reminds me of some business people that I've run into over the years...idiots who are "successful" by slapping people on the back and making the right connections. Bush would fail as a worker at McDonalds.
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| To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (143880) | 8/24/2004 4:39:24 PM | | From: redfish | | | | Here is the truth:
Denzel Washington Hoax (once again it is proven republicans have no regard for the truth). Here is the ACTUAL conversation:
Couric: "And how do you feel about the current political situation?"
Washington: "You know, I haven't seen 'Fahrenheit 9/11,' because I live in America. I grew up here. I'm an ex-slave. I'm a result of what this country can do. So it's nothing new to me. I'm not surprised at all. It's just business as usual. What I want to talk about is, what are we doing right now, today, for these young kids that are coming home? Are we embracing them? I don't hear about them being lifted up. I mean, I'm not just talking about a parade but —"
Couric: "Are they getting the support they need."
Washington: "Are they getting the support and love they need from us? And maybe that story's being told, but I sure haven't seen it that much in the news. Yeah, they're pointing fingers about who was right and whose wrong and who started what and where the weapons of mass destruction. But these kids are coming home."
Streep: "Uh-huh."
Washington: "You know, I have a son, 19, 19-year-olds are coming home completely different."
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