| To: Brumar89 who wrote (2092) | 8/22/2002 12:25:48 AM | | From: Thomas M. | | | | No, I present anti-Israel and anti-Jewish info because people in this country are flooded with a barrage of pro-Israeli and pro-Jewish information. MEMRI is putting out anti-Arab info in an environment in which pro-Arab info is virtually impossible to find. I am trying to balance the debate, whereas MEMRI is trying to turn a big wave into a Tsunami.
And you know this.
Tom |
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| To: Thomas M. who wrote (2095) | 8/22/2002 7:36:53 AM | | From: Brumar89 | | | | Charges against Israel like the "massacre at Jenin" etc. receive a lot of press attention. Which doesn't square with your claims.
Interesting that you present yourself as anti-Israel AND anti-Jewish. I present anti-Israel and anti-Jewish info ... So even apart from Israel, you're saying you have a problem with Jews. Why do you consider it important for you to get out not just an anti-Israel message but an explicitly anti-Jewish message as well?
...pro-Arab info is virtually impossible to find This is true, but you should have gone further and said pro-Arab/pro-Palestinian info is virtually impossible to find even on the anti-Israel side. Anti-Israel is equated as pro-Arab or pro-Palestinian - it isn't. You are right that you do present anti-Israel and anti-Jewish info. But why don't you have any interest in presenting pro-Palestinian/pro-Arab info? |
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| To: Thomas M. who wrote (2095) | 8/22/2002 11:12:22 AM | | From: StormRider | | | | I present anti-Israel and anti-Jewish info because people in this country are flooded with a barrage of pro-Israeli and pro-Jewish information.
i disagree with you tom. you shouldn't present "anti-jewish info" because this isn't about racism, which i hope you are not a part of. this is about the actions of the state of israel... and there has not been a barrage of pro-jewish info... |
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| To: StormRider who wrote (2098) | 8/22/2002 1:09:47 PM | | From: Thomas M. | | | | I agree, with one caveat. Orthodox Jewish rabbis have enormous influence in Israeli politics. It is important to understand their perspective.
In 1996, there was a big debate in the Israeli religious community on the topic of mixing Jewish and Gentile blood. In the end, the former head rabbi of Israel and the rabbi who heads the Shas party (which holds around 10% of the Israeli Knesset seats) both ruled that Jews should avoid accepting Gentile blood donations, as well as secular Jewish blood.
This was not reported in the Israeli English press, though the Hebrew press had extensive coverage and debate of the issue. The story certainly did not get publicity in America. Imagine if the highest ranking Christian Church leaders issued an edict that Christians should not accept blood donations from Jews, and the uproar that would ensue!
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| To: StormRider who wrote (2098) | 8/23/2002 10:32:23 AM | | From: GUSTAVE JAEGER | | | | The second reason for confusion on the Palestinian issue is rooted in European history. Anti- Semitism, which led to the crimes of the Nazis, is a European phenomenon, and it produced Zionism as a reaction to it. Whether this reaction -- which is at least understandable -- was the best response to the challenge is questionable. But what cannot be questioned is that the full responsibility for this tragic history must be born by European peoples. If an Israeli state had to be created as a solution to the question it should have been located somewhere in Europe. The Palestinian people had no responsibility for Europe's anti-Semitism. Yet the Europeans find it normal to expiate their faults at the expense of others and moreover use Zionism as an instrument for their own imperialist schemes. European (and North American) democrats have to understand that this attitude is not acceptable.
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| To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (2101) | 8/24/2002 3:57:59 PM | | From: StormRider | | | | ALLIES OPPOSE U.S.-LED WAR ON IRAQ
Beth Gardiner, Associated Press, 8/23/02
LONDON (AP) - President Bush's latest jab at Saddam Hussein didn't get much public support from allies Thursday, and Russia challenged his view that the world would benefit if the Iraqi regime is toppled…
In Moscow, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Vyacheslav Trubnikov called the idea of an attack on Iraq ``unacceptable,'' and he said his country did not agree Saddam should be ousted. On Monday, Russia confirmed it was talking with Iraq about a 10-year trade agreement.
Even Britain, Washington's closest ally in confronting Iraq, held back. British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw reiterated Thursday that military action remained an option, but he told British Broadcasting Corp. radio that the government's policy was to pressure Saddam into allowing the resumption of U.N. weapons inspections in Iraq.
Many U.S. allies say they are not convinced the Iraqi leader poses an imminent danger.
German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder has said he would not send troops to what he called an ``adventure'' in Iraq, and Canadian Defense Minister John McCallum said it was ``very unlikely'' Canada would participate unless Bush provided stronger evidence of an Iraqi threat...
In Britain, a recent poll said half the people surveyed did not want the nation's military to participate in an attack on Iraq. |
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| To: StormRider who wrote (2102) | 8/24/2002 3:58:38 PM | | From: StormRider | | | | OP-ED: PRO-ISRAEL BANKROLL CLAIMS ANOTHER VICTIM
AHMED BOUZID, Atlanta Journal Constitution, 8/23/02
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And so we lost another one. Georgia's Cynthia McKinney went down, just like Earl Hilliard of Alabama before her, because the pro-Israel lobby decided that it must be so. And so it was. Millions of dollars were mobilized by the "Israel, right or wrong" crowd.
And now we have two more politicians who owe not only their elections but also their political careers wholly to a lobby dedicated to promoting first and foremost, and above all else, the interests of a foreign government. Is this healthy for the American political system…?
McKinney and Hilliard were two voices among a tiny minority in Congress that stood up and dared to courageously question the rubber-stamping role that Congress has come to play on policies regarding Israel and the Middle East...
They have both repeatedly voted in support of Israel, have reiterated their commitment to the "special relationship" between the United States and Israel and have by and large toed the mainstream line.
But that was not good enough for the "Israel, right or wrong" crowd. Both McKinney and Hilliard dared to demur on a couple of occasions, dared to ask "why?", questioned the wisdom of putting the interests of a foreign government over the interest of America. Worst of all, they treated Arab and Muslim Americans as fellow citizens, entitled to have someone speak for them and defend their most basic civil rights… |
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