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To: goldsnow who wrote (2982)8/30/2001 1:12:35 AM
From: Thomas M.
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Well, that is certainly true. Oil has been a major source of conflict.

Tom

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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (2971)8/30/2001 4:19:41 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER
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Re: Do you seriously see no difference between sending 10 year-old rock throwers to the front lines to become shahids and sending 19 year-old soldiers on patrol duty?

Oh sure, I can see the difference: footages of the formers are broadcast round-the-clock by Western networks whereas the fanaticism of the latters is cleverly, smoothly removed from news coverages on Israel's teenage troops... To quibble over 12-year-olds vs 20-somethings is futile indeed. It's clear that the Jewish population and the Palestinians don't have the same demographics and I bet you that were the average age of Israelis to be as low as Palestinians's, the IDF would likely resemble Napoleon's army (whose staff was made up of 25-year-old generals...)

Gus.

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To: Thomas M. who wrote (2965)8/30/2001 4:36:14 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER
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Re: "In Israel, serving in certain army units is your ticket to good positions in civilian life," said Naomi Chazan, a left-wing member of the Knesset,...

What's even more interesting in the above snippet is that it exposes the stratocratic nature of Israel: indeed, there's no civil society proper in Israel. Israeli corporations are merely an outlet for military retirees, offering them various executive jobs and busywork depending on their past career in the IDF.

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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (2981)8/30/2001 5:11:36 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER
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Re: The poor Palestinians have had their noses pressed to the glass of Israeli democracy for 30 years, and they never got any.

If the Haaretz article in my post #2963 is any indication, even genuine Jews from around the world don't want to share in your "Israeli showpiece of democracy"... How come?? But what does your so-called Zionist democracy amount to, in the first place? Israel's a democracy because:

>of its compulsory 3-year military service, that is, basically, the opportunity to go on an Arab-bashing spree in Palestinian territories on a regular basis;

>of its admittedly rigged politics since the Israeli leadership can't allow its Arab minority (20%) to play the swing voter in its election process... Just imagine: as in most democracies, the margin between left and right is usually a few percentage points, so we have 50% of Jews voting Labour and 50% of Jews voting Likud, and 20% of Arab Israelis voting.... guess who tips the scales?? Bottom line: 20% of Arabs weigh more than 50% of Jews! Anyway, even a "democratically elect" army veteran like Yitzahk Rabin can still be "dismissed" through the bullet box.

>of its kosher McDonald's

>of its lifelong welfare checks supplied by Uncle Sam...

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To: goldsnow who wrote (2968)8/30/2001 6:08:52 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER
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Re: Gus, do you know if Schweitzer, has a daughter?

Don't know.... Mind you, Mr Louis Schweitzer is said to have converted to Protestantism... but a mixed marriage doesn't give you the shivers eh,... or does it?

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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (2988)8/30/2001 9:33:20 AM
From: goldsnow
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.... Mind you, Mr Louis Schweitzer is said to have converted to Protestantism... but a mixed marriage doesn't give you the shivers eh,... or does it? >>>>

All the better....He is a Jew is he? So his daughter can be converted to the Goldsnownism, I even pay for the wedding! ,<<gg>

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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (2988)8/30/2001 9:34:38 AM
From: Carolyn
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New Subject

What do you all think of Bush's naming John Danforth to be the special ambassador to the Sudan?

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To: Carolyn who wrote (2990)8/30/2001 10:16:56 AM
From: goldsnow
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That is simple, (GUS needs challenging questions)
1. He thinks about that nothing (nobody does, Sudan? who cares :(
2. Danforth is not a Jew, that is good :)

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To: Carolyn who wrote (2990)8/30/2001 11:56:33 AM
From: Thomas M.
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After the bang-up job he did "investigating" the FBI's actions in Waco, I have to wonder about the guy.

<<< The driving force and bigbucks behind his high court appointment was Senator John C. Danforth [R., Missouri]. Danforth has been the heir to the Ralston-Purina, pet food and other items, fortune. Thomas had been an office employee assisting Danforth. While Thomas was a Federal Appeals Judge in the District of Columbia Circuit, he made a decision, WITHOUT DISQUALIFYING HIMSELF AS HE WAS OBLIGATED TO DO UNDER FEDERAL STATUTES, favoring Danforth in eleven million dollars. Interesting detail Danforth won election to the U.S. Senate in 1976, where he remained for 18 years, as a result of a sabotaged plane crash removing his Democrat opponent. >>>

skolnicksreport.com

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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (2985)8/30/2001 11:57:11 AM
From: TimF
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To quibble over 12-year-olds vs 20-somethings is futile indeed.

Its not quibbleing. It is rather an important distinction. It may be futile both in the sense that its not going to change anyone on SI's opinion and in the sense that it is not going to result in any changes in what is happening in the Middle East.

It's clear that the Jewish population and the Palestinians don't have the same demographics

True but would Israel be sending 12 year olds against the PLO or Hammas if the did have the same demographics as the Palestinians? Probably not, and if they did I would be against the idea and I'm sure Nadine would as well.

Tim

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