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To: Tom Clarke who wrote (2945)8/27/2001 5:52:44 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER
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An exhilarating paper indeed. That guy O'Rourke is right on the money.

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To: Tom Clarke who wrote (2945)8/27/2001 6:06:37 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER
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Your turn to get a kick out of it...

nytimes.com

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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (2950)8/27/2001 8:24:41 AM
From: Andy Thomas
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this skolnick fellow has some food for thought:

rense.com

andy

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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (2686)8/27/2001 10:21:48 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER
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Re: Gustave, I do not see evidence to support your conclusions. I think your "Byzantine alliance" leaves one very major player out of the calculations...Turkey. Turkey is a rising regional power, coming into a natural alliance with Israel....

Saturday August 25 1:40 PM ET

Turkish Tycoon Stabbed to Death

By BURAK BAKTIR, Associated Press Writer

ISTANBUL, Turkey (AP)
- The chairman of one of Turkey's largest business holdings and a prominent member of its Jewish community was found stabbed to death Saturday, police said.

A suspect apprehended a few hours later confessed to the killing of 72-year-old Uzeyir Garih, police said. The suspect's name was not released, but local media quoted police sources as saying that he was a mentally disturbed Turkish youth and a drug addict.

Garih headed the ALARKO group, a heating, ventilating and air conditioning company that also does construction in Turkey and central Asia. The group also is involved in tourism and seafood, and has joint ventures in England, Russia, Switzerland and Austria.

He also wrote a column for the English-language Turkish Daily News in which he supported Turkey's expanding relations with Israel and Ankara's bid to join the European Union.
[...]

dailynews.yahoo.com

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To: Andy Thomas who wrote (2942)8/27/2001 11:11:25 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER
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Re: Gary Condit.

Sounds like your fellow Condit messed with classified material... Throw him in jail... right next to Pollard. (better than a death row ticket, after all...)

Colleagues Trust Condit On Intelligence Committee

Week of July 30, 2001


Gary Condit serves not only as a member of Congress, but as a member of the House Permanent Select Intelligence Committee. He is elected to Congress by his constituents back home, but he is selected for the Intelligence Committee by his Democratic congressional colleagues-a selection that is accepted by the Republican majority, which could vote to remove him. On the Intelligence Committee he has access to our nation's most highly classified secrets. Last week we asked some members of both parties to explain their thinking on keeping Condit where he is.

humaneventsonline.com

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To: 2MAR$ who wrote (2947)8/27/2001 1:07:45 PM
From: Carolyn
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Thanks, Mars, for posting this!

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To: Carolyn who wrote (2954)8/28/2001 6:24:24 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER
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'Real Jews'

By Peter Snowdon


It wasn't difficult to get in touch with the Betar. I'd imagined that any organisation which went round Paris shouting racist slogans and issuing communiques claiming responsibility for beating up Arabs must be relatively low profile, if not completely underground. Of course, the Front National do that kind of thing, and they're in the phone book. But they do it on behalf of the French people. The Betar do it on behalf of Eretz Israel.
[snip]

ahram.org.eg

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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (2955)8/28/2001 12:16:04 PM
From: Thomas M.
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Great Article!

He leaned back in his chair, and his girth loomed proudly towards the edge of the table, as if daring it to try and push him back within his negotiated limits.

ROFLMAO! That is the best line I have heard in a long time.

Fortunately, Nadine has reassured me that these kind of crazies aren't what Israel is about, they are just on the lunatic fringe. Well, except for the fact that Menachem Begin and Binyamin Netanyahu were PRIME MINISTER OF ISRAEL. -g-

Tom

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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (2955)8/28/2001 2:09:16 PM
From: LV
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I found Moti to be a very sympathetic person. Snowdon comes from a different perspective – he has no painful experiences with anti-semitic thugs. You see, when you encounter those, a Bible or Das Capital or even a score sheet from Aida in your hands won’t do you much good. You need your baseball bat against their baseball bats. I have no problem whatsoever with Jewish thugs (I may use a different word to describe them, though) protecting Jewish neighborhoods or institutions against anti-semites, or black thugs confronting marching racists, or Arab thugs fighting marauding skinheads, just as I have no problem with armed community patrols in high crime neighborhoods. It may not be the perfect solution to some of the problems in the world, but it is a solution. As long as I see no Arab-baiting, or Jew-baiting, or racist crap, I find these people and their actions commendable indeed.

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To: LV who wrote (2930)8/28/2001 2:38:46 PM
From: Nadine Carroll
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Interesting analysis of the dynamic at work in the current "intifada":

The Intifada behind the Al-Aqsa Intifada
by Gary C. Gambill

Members of the Tanzim at a demonstration in Gaza last month
[Reuters/Reinhard Krause]
The "Al-Aqsa Intifida" has witnessed the most intense fighting between Israelis and Palestinians in nearly two decades, with the death toll now approaching 200, mostly Palestinian, fatalities. According to the conventional wisdom, the uprising was triggered by the untimely visit of Israeli Likud leader Ariel Sharon, flanked by over 1,000 riot policemen, to the Temple Mount/Haram al-Sharif in Jerusalem on September 28. This event, it is said, sparked a familiar pattern of "spontaneous" Palestinian riots and Israeli reprisals--a self-propelling process whereby demonstrators are killed and injured, fueling public passions that result in further protests, and so forth. The uprising is attributed to the same dynamic that governed the 1987-1993 Intifada, and to a lesser extent the "tunnel riots" of 1996, with most of the debate centering around Yasser Arafat's willingness and capability to control the Palestinian "street."

But for all the destructive energy unleashed by the Al-Aqsa Intifida, the scope of popular participation has been surprisingly limited. Although large numbers of Palestinians have taken part in peaceful rallies and funeral processions, the crowds that have confronted Israeli troops with rocks and Molotov cocktails on a daily basis have been notably smaller than those that spontaneously arose during the first Intifada. What is new about the current uprising--the frequent use of firearms against Israeli soldiers and settlers--is mainly attributable to a relatively small number of Fatah activists, numbering perhaps a few hundred at most.

meib.org

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