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To: LV who wrote (2911)8/23/2001 6:45:42 AM
From: Andy Thomas
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i had an islamic pakistani office mate once. he spoke ill of arafat, and of the kings of arabia too.

another thing he mentioned was that in a holy war, if a single innocent dies, it's against the koran.

sharon, arafat, all the rest; they're just puppets of some greater power.

"there's something going on here but you don't know what it is, mr. jones..."

andy

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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (2912)8/23/2001 11:55:36 AM
From: Thomas M.
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There are primary and secondary schools and colleges teaching in Palestinian

Wrong. There are no schools teaching in Palestinian in Israel. Only in Palestine. Obviously, the Albanians have their own schools in their own country. However, I doubt those schools are ever forcibly closed by Macedonian troops, nor are they impossible to get to due to massive roadblocks, as we know happens regularly in Palestine.

Problem is, both Palestinians and Albanians aspire to be more than folk minorities in their own countries! Besides having the opportunity to run theaters and newspapers, Albanians and Palestinians want to run the "political show" as well: mayors, ministers, police, etc.

Albanians do indeed have this power. To quote from my previous post: "Today six out of 17 government ministers are ethnic Albanians, the parliamentary vice-president is Albanian and so are several ambassadors." In contrast, Palestinians have zero political or social power in Israel.

Sorry, Gustave, it is a fraudulent analogy. You shouldn't be surprised, since it was introduced by a Zionist.

Tom

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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (2914)8/23/2001 12:47:06 PM
From: Nadine Carroll
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Whatever name you give the Belgian's cruelty in the Congo, it certainly wasn't the practice of Sharia, or any other system of law for that matter.

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To: Thomas M. who wrote (2917)8/23/2001 12:55:55 PM
From: Nadine Carroll
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Arab Israelis make up 20% of the Israeli population (inside the Green Line), and they vote. There is an Arab party that has block of seats in the Knesset, and there is an Arab minister in Sharon's cabinet. Arab support was instrumental in electing Ehud Barak. Several Arab MKs are now openly supporting the intifada, which not surprisingly causes controversy in Israel.

Once again, your remarks show that you know nothing about Israel and don't care to be bothered with facts.

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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (2919)8/23/2001 1:11:29 PM
From: Thomas M.
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The stats for Arab representation in the Israeli government and industry are far worse than blacks in America, who are as powerless as it gets.

Tom

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To: Thomas M. who wrote (2920)8/23/2001 1:30:32 PM
From: Nadine Carroll
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"The stats for Arab representation"? Didn't you just tell Gus that Arabs had no representation inside Israel? Care to quote any of these stats? or are you just blowing smoke as usual?

BTW, I'm still waiting for the full quote of Menachem Begin's opinion that Nasser didn't want war in 1967.

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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (2921)8/23/2001 1:38:10 PM
From: Thomas M.
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Didn't you just tell Gus that Arabs had no representation inside Israel?

No. Can you read?

BTW, I'm still waiting for the full quote of Menachem Begin's opinion that Nasser didn't want war in 1967.

Let me know when you find it.

How could the Palestinians turn down Barak's "generous" offer?

<<< The resulting scenario is obvious: The settlers would continue their long history of violent attacks against Palestinians, and when the Palestinian state tried to impose law and order, the settlers would demand protection from the Israeli army, which would use the new roads to send in tanks and heavy artillery just as it has done in the past week. The Israeli roads and settlements turn the claim of offering the Palestinians 90% of the land into a cruel hoax. With the Israeli military patrolling those roads that crisscross the Palestinian state, Palestinians would face humiliating searches and would not be able to move freely. Imagine someone offering you a house in which you were going to have large rooms (90% of the space) but they were in charge of the hallways between the rooms. You would quickly realize that your freedom to be ''at home'' was remarkably compromised. For a people who have endured 33 years of military occupation, complete with a long history of documented torture, house demolitions and harassment, this doesn't sound like such a great deal. >>>

<<< As noted, Barak's plan is a particularly harsh version of familiar US-Israeli rejectionism. It calls for terminating electricity, water,telecommunications, and other services that are doled out in meager rations to the Palestinian population, who are now under virtual siege. It should be recalled that independent development was ruthlessly barred by the military regime from 1967, leaving the people in destitution and dependency, a process that has worsened considerably during the US-run "Oslo process." >>>

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To: Thomas M. who wrote (2922)8/23/2001 1:53:49 PM
From: Nadine Carroll
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What you are describing was not Barak's offer. Barak's offer involved dismantling most of the settlements!

Furthermore, both Saeb Erekat and Yossi Beilin have stated publicly that the talks did not break down over settlements. The two sides had worked out an agreement on settlements.

What destroyed the talks was Arafat's blanket insistence that Israel accept the right of return of 3.7 million Palestinian refugees, not to Palestine, but to Israel, thus extinguishing it as a Jewish state.

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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (2914)8/23/2001 1:54:34 PM
From: Yaacov
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Nadine, did you know that Sharia (Islamic law like cutting off a hand...) was still practiced by the Belgians on a wid scale in their African colony?""

I just heard on CNN the accusation that your King was a had intercourse with under-aged children in late 1960's! ! Gus, what is it with you Belgiums? Your anti-semites and perverts!!!! You must be terribly "sick" nation! I always wondered why Gus was such sick fellow, I guess that explains it!

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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (2918)8/23/2001 1:58:36 PM
From: Yaacov
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Whatever name you give the Belgian's cruelty in the Congo, it certainly wasn't the practice of Sharia, or any other system of law for that matter. ""

All starts with morals ans scruples! When the present kind of Belgioum is now accused of being a pervert, what can we expect from a sick man like Gus? For him I have only contempt and disdain, the same feeling I have for Arafat and the rest of his gang!

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