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To: Brumar89 who wrote (1278573)11/15/2020 8:40:03 AM
From: Brumar89
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Trump Has Reportedly Been Asking About Pardons for Himself, His Family, and More

Trace William Cowen

November 13, 2020



Donald J. Trump, who has now successfully carried his penchant for failure as a former steak salesman into his role as POTUS, has allegedly been making inquiries about the ins and outs of pardons for several years now.

According to a new report from CNN including commentary from a number of sources described as "current and former" administration officials, Trump's had matters of pardon on the brain since at least 2017. Since then, former aides explained, Trump has "been asking" whether he would be able to pardon himself.

Another ex-White House official, meanwhile, said Trump has also asked about pardons for family members, as well as preemptive pardons aimed at federal crimes one could be charged with in the future. As pardons are only applicable for crimes of a federal nature, the action would not prevent Trump or anyone else from potential results stemming from Trump Organization investigations that are currently in progress under the direction of the New York attorney general.

And while some have assessed an attempted self-pardon as a surefire thing, others have argued such a move is highly unlikely, if for no other reason than doing so would quite clearly imply some sort of guilt. Also notable, as pointed out by the Washington Post earlier this week, is that trying to pardon himself isn't constitutionally supported.

Back in 2018, Trump publicly theorized about pardoning himself, at once claiming he has "the absolute right" to do so while also questioning why he would need to if he had truly "done nothing wrong."

In the days since Biden was declared the winner of the 2020 presidential election, Trump has been adamant in putting forth a false narrative built atop baseless claims of voter fraud. In an interview with Byron York of the Washington Examiner, published Friday, Trump appeared to still be very much in reckless denial mode.

Indeed, as the pandemic rages on, Trump is more concerned with activities like calling up Fox News frequenter Geraldo Rivera:

Just had heartfelt phone call w friend @realDonaldTrump who said he's a "realist" who'll do the"right thing" But he wants to see "what states do in terms of certifiction (etc)" He sounded committed to fighting for every vote & if he loses, talking more about all he's accomplished

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To: Brumar89 who wrote (1278574)11/15/2020 8:48:44 AM
From: Brumar89
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Trump supporters morning protests turn into violent clashes


WASHINGTON (AP) — Several thousand supporters of President Donald Trump in Washington protested election results and then hailed Trump's passing motorcade before nighttime clashes with counterdemonstrators sparked fistfights, at least one stabbing and at least 20 arrests.

Several other cities on Saturday also saw gatherings of Trump supporters unwilling to accept Democrat Joe Biden's Electoral College and popular vote victory as legitimate. Cries of “Stop the Steal” and “Count Every Vote” continued in spite of a lack of evidence of voter fraud or other problems that could reverse the result.

After night fell, the relatively peaceful demonstrations in Washington turned from tense to violent. Videos posted on social media showed fistfights, projectiles and clubs as Trump supporters clashed with those demanding they take their MAGA hats and banners and leave. The tensions extended to Sunday morning. A variety of charges, including assault and weapons possession, were filed against those arrested, officials said. Two police officers were injured and several firearms were recovered by police.

Trump himself had given an approving nod to the gathering Saturday morning by dispatching his motorcade through streets lined with supporters before rolling on to his Virginia golf club. People chanted “USA, USA” and “four more years,” and many carried American flags and signs to show their displeasure with the vote tally and insistence that, as Trump has baselessly asserted, fraud was the reason.

“I just want to keep up his spirits and let him know we support him,” said one loyalist, Anthony Whittaker of Winchester, Virginia. He was outside the Supreme Court, where a few thousand assembled after a march along Pennsylvania Avenue from Freedom Plaza, near the White House.

A broad coalition of top government and industry officials has declared that the Nov. 3 voting and the following count unfolded smoothly with no more than the usual minor hiccups — “the most secure in American history,” they said, repudiating Trump's efforts to undermine the integrity of the contest.

In Delray Beach, Florida, several hundred people marched, some carrying signs reading “Count every vote” and “We cannot live under a Marxist government.” In Lansing, Michigan, protesters gathered at the Capitol to hear speakers cast doubt on results that showed Biden winning the state by more than 140,000 votes. Phoenix police estimated 1,500 people gathered outside the Arizona Capitol to protest Biden's narrow victory in the state. Protesters in Salem, Oregon, gathered at the Capitol.

Among the speakers in Washington was a Georgia Republican newly elected to the U.S. House. Marjorie Taylor Greene, who has expressed racist views and support for QAnon conspiracy theories, urged people to march peacefully toward the Supreme Court.

The marchers included members of the Proud Boys, a neo-fascist group known for street brawling with ideological opponents at political rallies.

Multiple confrontations appeared later in the day as small groups of Trump supporters attempted to enter the area around Black Lives Matter Plaza, about a block from the White House, where several hundred anti-Trump demonstrators had gathered.

In a pattern that kept repeating itself, those Trump supporters who approached the area were harassed, doused with water and saw their MAGA hats and pro-Trump flags snatched and burned, amid cheers. As night fell, multiple police lines kept the two sides apart.

Videos posted on social media showed some demonstrators and counterdemonstrators trading shoves, punches and slaps. A man with a bullhorn yelling “Get out of here!” was shoved and pushed to the street by a man who was then surrounded by several people and shoved and punched until he fell face first into the street. Bloody and dazed, he was picked up and walked to a police officer.

The “Million MAGA March” was heavily promoted on social media, raising concerns that it could spark conflict with anti-Trump demonstrators, who have gathered near the White House in Black Lives Matter Plaza for weeks.

In preparation, police closed off wide swaths of downtown, where many stores and offices have been boarded up since Election Day. Chris Rodriguez, director of the city’s Homeland Security and Emergency Management Agency, said the police were experienced at keeping the peace.

The issues that Trump’s campaign and its allies have pointed to are typical in every election: problems with signatures, secrecy envelopes and postal marks on mail-in ballots, as well as the potential for a small number of ballots miscast or lost. With Biden leading Trump by wide margins in key battleground states, none of those issues would have any impact on the outcome of the election.

A former administration official, Sebastian Gorka, whipped up the crowd by the Supreme Court by saying, “We can win because he did win.” But, he added, “It's going to be tough.”

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-supporters-morning-protests-turn-055506887.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&uh_test=2_04




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To: i-node who wrote (1278542)11/15/2020 9:07:44 AM
From: Wharf Rat
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You're acting like a 3 year-old.

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To: Proud Deplorable who wrote (1278546)11/15/2020 9:09:45 AM
From: Wharf Rat
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Lots of losers, celebrating their landslide defeat.

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To: pocotrader who wrote (1278465)11/15/2020 9:15:34 AM
From: maceng2
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Some evidence on mask wearing.

h/t to American Vagabond.
thelastamericanvagabond.com

5 NIH studies from 2004-2020 all finding verifiable health effects from wearing a face mask, including scientifically verified reduction is blood oxygen level:

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To: maceng2 who wrote (1278555)11/15/2020 9:31:16 AM
From: Wharf Rat
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More nutball conspiracies.

"Does paying a fine somehow slow the spread of the contagion?"
No, but it might get them to wear a mask next time.

"Would throwing people in jail attenuate a virus contagion?"
It gets potential spreaders off the street. I'm not sure jail would work now; capacity hasn't kept up with our exploding population of assholes. Maybe some of those concentration camps near the border can be re-purposed.

"Do we give the viruses the money in gold so when they stuff it in their pockets, it slows them down?"
I've been authorized to collect it, so just send it to me, and I'll handle all the details.

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To: Joachim K who wrote (1278560)11/15/2020 9:32:52 AM
From: Wharf Rat
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I'm already there.

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To: bruwin who wrote (1278562)11/15/2020 9:34:27 AM
From: Wharf Rat
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He's crazy, you know. Had to be committed.

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To: bruwin who wrote (1278566)11/15/2020 9:35:39 AM
From: Wharf Rat
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Trump's new home.

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To: Wharf Rat who wrote (1278579)11/15/2020 9:37:57 AM
From: maceng2
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<<More nutball conspiracies.>>

ho ho ho.

I suppose where we read "officials say" means it's the god's honest truth.

sure.

Maybe you missed all the masks study links too.

There are a number of links about face masks on the broadcast.

thelastamericanvagabond.com

I can see how you will be a Kamala fan. Super keen to get everyone in jail. She just loves jailing people, innocent or not.

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