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To: levy who wrote (28)11/16/2000 10:42:00 PM
From: NotNeiderhoffer
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You know if you Floridians don't get this handcounting crap settled soon I am coming down to get a handjob from each and everyone of you. After all, you have been jerking us off for over a week now, you must be getting good at it right?

surf around this site for a moment and you will find something of interest.


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To: NotNeiderhoffer who wrote (30)11/17/2000 9:48:16 AM
From: levy
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NotN since everyone has been jerking around I
I am trying to provide straight answers for people...I believe Gore has won it.
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Doyouknowfromwhatstatetheterm"dryhump"camefrom? is the article about their voting machines from WSJ...I imagine this may be why their stock is going up right now.


A Brazilian Firm Sees Dollar Signs
Amid America's Electoral Chaos


SAO PAULO, Brazil -- The world may see farce in America's
presidential impasse, but the company that brought computerized voting to
the inner recesses of Brazil's Amazon sees historic opportunity. And it is
rushing to cash in.

When Joao Abud Jr. awoke Wednesday in Sao Paulo to news of political
confusion in the U.S., dollar signs danced on his television screen. "We
have the solution," says the marketing and sales director for Procomp
Industria Eletronica, which developed cheap, simple and secure electronic
voting machines used by about 100 million Brazilians in October local
elections. "My thoughts were commercial: How can I sell this terminal to
the U.S. authorities?"

Two days later, Mr. Abud hurriedly was printing promotional material in
English about his product, called the UE2000. Diebold Inc., which
bought Procomp last year, had just called to say, "Take the first plane to
Miami with the voting terminal in your hands!" Monday, Mr. Abud will
show off the prized machine smack in the eye of America's political

For Diebold, based in North Canton, Ohio, the $225 million purchase of
Procomp gave the U.S.'s biggest automated-teller-machine provider
control of Brazil's ATM market leader. But elections soon offered a new
strategic outlet: Procomp's $106 million contract to supply 186,000 voting
machines in Brazil was the largest order in Diebold's history.

Then came Florida. "There's been a tremendous increase in interest and
contacts asking us to talk about this technology," says Michael Hillock,
Diebold's senior vice president for international sales. "We're looking at
where we think we could move this product."

Perhaps more remarkable is how Brazil, which restored democracy in
1985 after two decades of military rule, quickly has become a model for
electoral probity. President Fernando Henrique Cardoso took a dig at the
U.S. on Saturday, saying that "the example of the most powerful neighbor
shows that not even there were they able to count the votes as quickly as

There have been bumps along the way. After Brazil's dictatorship ended,
the first popularly elected president won through dirty tricks and resigned
on the eve of impeachment for alleged corruption. Even in October's polls,
many ballots hosted candidates with dubious pasts. The weekly magazine
Veja reported that nearly 10% of those running for mayor and city
councilor in the nine largest state capitals were under investigation for
crimes ranging from tax evasion to murder.

But thanks largely to Procomp's electronic voting machines, no one is
questioning the integrity of the vote count. Brazil began introducing
electronic voting in 1996, but this year was the first fully automated
nationwide election. The dimensions are staggering: With an area bigger
than the continental U.S., many of the 326,000 polling stations in regions
lacking reliable electricity and one-fifth of the voters illiterate, Brazil poses
the greatest challenge to a fair election of any country outside of India.

Procomp used technology to simplify the process, just as it had adapted its
traditional products to the needs of Brazil's banking market. Procomp's
electronic ballot box, which is the size of a toaster-oven and weighs 17
pounds, has a numeric keypad and a small liquid-crystal display monitor.
Voters tap in the designated number of their preferred candidate,
producing the candidate's digitalized photograph on the screen. Then they
press a green button to confirm the vote or an orange button to correct
their vote. A white button lets them abstain. (Voting is required by
Brazilian law.)

People can't vote twice because their registration numbers are recorded
electronically, just as an ATM might prevent a customer from withdrawing
too much money in a single day. It is almost impossible to tamper with the
results, which are stored on an encrypted floppy disk. Even Procomp
doesn't have access to the encryption code.

The terminal operates on a Pentium-equivalent microprocessor, but
Procomp stripped down the peripherals to reduce cost and energy
consumption. It can run for at least 12 hours on a rechargeable battery --
a crucial consideration for polling outposts in the Amazon.

Procomp received a rousing reception on election night in Brasilia, where
the U.S. Embassy borrowed four terminals for a simulated presidential
election. Noting that foreign diplomats "had no difficulty using them," a
local newspaper published a photograph of Ambassador Anthony
Harrington in front of the voting machine, arms extended with two thumbs

For the record, Gore won the instantly tabulated mock vote: 139-53.

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To: levy who wrote (31)11/17/2000 11:11:24 AM
From: TheLineMan
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If they go for a Federal decision they should get the recounts. They should also win it if Ms Harris denies the people of counties doing their handcounts their rights under the 14th amendement. Even the most broad interpretation of discretion does not include violating the 14th amendment of the US constitution.

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To: NotNeiderhoffer who wrote (30)11/19/2000 7:07:05 PM
From: levy
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Presidential Race Brings Attention
To the Business of Voting Machines


Get ready for another post-election scramble -- this time by officials searching for more accurate vote counts and voting-machine vendors looking for new business.

Around the country, local election officials are talking about scrapping old systems and switching to new, more accurate ways of tallying the vote. In Georgia this week, Fulton County's elections chief announced that she was trading in punch-card ballots -- similar to those used in the dispute over presidential voting in Palm Beach, Fla. -- for an optical-scan system.

Though local governments are notoriously pinched for money, help might be on the way. This week, Sen. Charles Schumer, a New York Democrat, proposed legislation that would call for the Federal Elections Commission to establish guidelines for modernizing elections and make $250 million available to state and local governments to buy new equipment. Lawmakers in individual states also have talked about providing more money to municipalities.
See a table illustrating the different types of voting machines

Punch-card voting, however, isn't likely to get their support. Even though it was the most widely used voting method in 1998, it already was seen as a shrinking business. Larger companies have focused more on selling optical-scan systems over the past decade and left the punch-card business to smaller competitors.

Optical-scan systems, which require voters to fill in an oval or connect an arrow with a pen, have replaced many punch-card systems, although primarily in smaller jurisdictions. The other fast-growing alternative is electronic-voting machines, which automatically record a voter's selection from the touch of a button. Electronic units usually resemble an automatic-teller machine or employ a touch screen.

Jim Ries Jr., president of MicroVote Corp., Indianapolis, says his electronic-voting machines cost about $4,000. The overall system cost can be double that of an optical-scan system because multiple machines are needed in every precinct. Mr. Ries tells municipalities they can usually recoup that difference within five to 10 years and eventually save money through lower ballot-printing costs.

Internet voting or voting by mail are possibilities but appear doubtful for widespread use in the near term.

Some elections officials aren't confident that optical scans are any better than using punch cards. Both allow overvoting, or voting for two candidates in the same race, which can cancel out the vote.

And optical-scan systems have run into high-profile problems. In Hawaii two years ago, Election Systems & Software Inc., Omaha, Neb., had to pay for a statewide recount in the governor's race because six optical-scanning machines failed to read ballots. The company says it was one of the first elections for a new model and the problem was fixed.

In Georgia, Secretary of State Cathy Cox is pushing for a uniform electronic-voting system. Her office began contacting voting-machine vendors last week to develop a budget request for next year. She envisions a pilot project by 2002 in about 25 counties and possibly a statewide rollout in time for the next presidential election.

"We feel this type of electronic equipment is superior to all other systems out there," says Ms. Cox, adding, "No doubt it will be a multimillion-dollar expense to switch over. But do people want to bite the bullet to have an accurate system?"

Industry officials agree that both punch cards and optical-scanning offer about the same degree of accuracy. "Our margin of error is far less than 1%," says Todd Urosevich, vice president of customer services at Election Systems & Software, one of the big three voting-machine vendors.

Bill Kimberling, deputy director of the FEC's election administration office, warns that better, smarter technology may never eliminate one of the top variables in an election count's execution: human error. Despite all the talk of "hanging chads," in the Florida vote, key errors in Volusia and Palm Beach counties -- that resulted in more than 900 ballots being overlooked in the first returns -- were the result of an elections worker improperly operating a vote-counting machine.

"The day we get voting equipment that operates perfectly and without error is the same day we get a car that never gets into an accident," says Mr. Kimberling.

Industry players who could benefit:

* Election Systems & Software. The company was formed from the 1997 merger of American Information Systems Inc., Omaha, Neb., and Business Records Corp., Dallas. ES&S works with about 2,000 counties and sells both optical scanning and electronic systems.

* Global Election Systems Inc., a Vancouver, British Columbia, company traded on the Toronto Stock Exchange. The company's stock hit a 52-week high of C$2.65 (US$1.71) on Monday on optimism that the presidential recount will lead to more business.

* Sequoia Pacific Voting Equipment Inc., Jamestown, N.Y., a subsidiary of Jefferson Smurfit Group PLC, a paper-products company based in Ireland. Riverside County in California had the first large countywide election using electronic touchscreen voting last week -- a $14 million system purchased from Sequoia.

Losing out may be smaller companies invested in punch cards. Paul Nolte, president of Election Resources Corp., Little Rock, Ark., an eight-employee company which primarily sells punch-card systems -- including the one used in Palm Beach County -- says he will focus now on developing an Intranet voting system that avoids security problems related to the Internet.

"I expect this current situation will cost us a number of good-sized counties in the next two years," he says.

Write to Chad Terhune at and Joni James at

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To: levy who wrote (33)11/19/2000 7:20:01 PM
From: Carolyn
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This Terhune fellow sure has an apt name, doesn't he?

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To: Carolyn who wrote (34)11/20/2000 12:49:56 PM
From: Jay Arkay
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Global Election Systems (TSE symbol GSM) is really the only way to go for investors who want in on this industry. The other players are either very small (and mostly private) or privately held (ES&S) or a tiny part of a publicly traded conglomerate (Sequoia Pacific Systems, part of Jefferson-Smurfit). For those wanting to find out more about Global, you can download their latest annual report from their website at (go to the "news" section) and/or hear the webcast of their latest annual general meeting (also accessible through their website). For more due diligence, also check on the Global forum at Stockhouse ( which has been running some three years. You will see both promoters and bashers there (some of the latter obviously including ES&S insiders), but it is clear that this period has been a rough one for investors in the company. Things recently appear to have taken a significant turn for the better, not only the fallout of the US election chaos but also a new top management and board of directors at Global who are clearly focused, have a coherent vision, and full of energy. The company also has recently put into place important joint ventures with Soza in Washington, DC, and with Indra in Europe. Global officials are now exploring a possible US exchange listing, and I would expect a surge in the share price once that is achieved; but most US brokers can easily arrange for the purchase of shares on the Toronto Stock Exchange, where Global now trades. (Note that Global now reports in US dollars, has its major operations in Texas with some sales and research remaining in Vancouver.) But do your own due diligence.

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To: Jay Arkay who wrote (35)11/21/2000 7:21:03 AM
From: levy
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Jay I was coming to the same conclusion......its kind of interesting how gsm and ess have brothers in high management.......wonder how that works.......thanks for your input

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To: Jay Arkay who wrote (35)11/21/2000 1:13:01 PM
From: Jon Tara
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Jay, Global apparently also trades as an ADR on the pink sheets as GLELF.

I bought some through TD Waterhouse. Since Waterhouse is based in Canada, I assumed that they would buy it on the Toronto exchange. But I guess this was easier for them. The ADRs trade in US$, of course.

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To: levy who wrote (36)11/27/2000 12:15:31 AM
From: KLP
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levy...something is ODD here...Did you notice the SAME address in Arkansas (Little Rock) for the SAME small company that made the machines used in the THREE counties in FL that were contested...???? And, I didn't see this company on the Vendor's list you listed earlier on this thread....Does anyone know if this man is still the owner of this company??? Looks like his comment here is a VERY LARGE UNDERSTATEMENT!!

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Losing out may be smaller companies invested in punch cards. Paul Nolte, president of Election Resources Corp., Little Rock, Ark., an eight-employee company which primarily sells punch-card systems -- including the one used in Palm Beach County -- says he will focus now on developing an Intranet voting system that avoids security problems related to the Internet.

"I expect this current situation will cost us a number of good-sized counties in the next two years," he says.

Here are the companies listed on the Florida Election site you listed earlier....

Election Resources Corporation
855 Plaza West, 415 N. McKinley, Little Rock, Arkansas 72205

Phone (501) 663-4678

Election Tabulation Network (ETNet)
punch card; Votomatic (VM) type; central tabulation

11 Counties

Broward Lee Pasco
Collier Marion Pinellas
Highlands Osceola Sarasota
Hillsborough Palm Beach

ETNet, Inc.
855 Plaza West, 415 N. McKinley, Little Rock, Arkansas 72205

Phone (501) 663-4678

Election Tabulation Workshet and/or ETNet
punch card; Votomatic (VM) type; central tabulation

1 County


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To: levy who started this subject11/28/2000 1:45:24 AM
From: KLP
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levy...wake up...look what I found for you! Whole Sist of Links!

Electronic Voting Hot List
This page contains a list of links to Internet sites with electronic-voting related information. It is intended as a resource list for those doing research on electronic voting and those interested in implementing electronic voting systems.
Voting Equipment and Services Vendors
ELEX Voting Systems - manufactures a touch-screen voting terminal
Hart InterCivic - "private AND secure Internet voting"
Sequoia-Pacific Voting Equipment - "The Global Election Company"
e-lection - "Combining election news, candidate information, pre-election polling, secure online voting, and instananeous election results" - "offering secure solutions for ballot creation, voting, and tabulation"
Electoral Products - from the ACE Project Website - "the secure internet voting company"
Xtol - manufacturer of a "portable wireless keypad system that is used to ask multi-choice questions of groups of people in a variety of training, presentation, surveys and teaching situations"
Global Election Systems - voting equipment and services vendor
Fidlar & Chambers Co. - voting equipment and services vendor
Election Systems & Software - voting equipment and services vendor
Guardian Voting Systems ELECTronic 1242 Voting System - information about an electronic voting booth product
Diversified Dynamics, Inc. - a company that produces "electronic voting systems" and "ballot software"
Microvote - developers of electronic voting tabulation software and distributers of DRE units.
TrueBallot, Inc. Democratic Governance Systems - information about electronic voting booth, vote-by-mail, and vote-by-phone products
Worldwide Election Systems, Inc.
Surveys International - manufactures a patented double-sided, full-face ballot DRE, available through most major systems integrators
Millennium Technology Inc. - "specializes in state of the art, electronic voting systems which are custom designed for corporations and municipal governments"
DRS Data & Research Services plc
Reply Wireless Response Systems - "The Reply family of audience response/voting products is used for small and large group voting"

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