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To: TheLineMan who wrote (22)11/16/2000 12:52:02 AM
From: KLP
   of 69 must have had a tough day!

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To: KLP who wrote (21)11/16/2000 1:33:26 AM
From: levy
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I don't know but I heard on tv tonight a little detail that is the way for someone to figure this entire subject out.....the local tv news has been turning lots of attention to these machines down here in florida and I expect GSM to get some very good press in this regard but heres the tidbit I heard.......each state certifies the machines that they will allow each county to buy...currently there are 4 companies certified in florida....this information is publicly available from each state and each state has same procedure to only allow certain machines to be if someone wanted they could dig this info up.......or at least find out the main players and then call them and ask where they are certified and where they have an installed base.......... at least in florida I found info on the state election page that lists the installed base county by county and I bet this info would be available for every state.....

there is no standard state required unit in any state as far as I know....part of the news was a call for such in Florida.....right now just one of these 4 companies in florida must be used but I am sure there will be much talk about making a standard after this fiasco .....GSM would seem to have a good chance of much of the business in Florida by virtue of having a fair share already and the fact that it seems to have worked well

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To: KLP who wrote (23)11/16/2000 2:02:01 AM
From: levy
   of 69
here is the Florida web page that list out the companies used in this state ...this confirms that Election Systems and Software is the main competitor to GSM at least in Florida fact it would seem to have a bigger installed base here that GSM.....also this webpage shows 9 different companies that do business in Florida which does not jive with what I heard on the tv about only 4 being allowed...confusing.

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To: levy who wrote (25)11/16/2000 2:13:53 AM
From: KLP
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Thanks super sleuth! Now, if you could just put on that detective hat and let us in on some of the attorney-talk down there in the hotels, it would be great! Seriously, CAN you just SEE that many attorneys in the same place at one time, with two (or more) different views on ANY issue...? LOLOL! There are going to be GOBS of books ghosted after this debacle.... and bet the Alka Seltzer and Tums products are top sellers ( related to one, but not one in FL)
Edit: GOBS seemed to be an appropriate word here...

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To: KLP who wrote (26)11/16/2000 2:47:55 AM
From: levy
   of 69
apparently there is this national group of election directors that has this list of certified companies

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To: TheLineMan who wrote (22)11/16/2000 10:09:01 PM
From: levy
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I can not find one other publicly traded company that does optical scanning other than gsm including any of the companies on that last link I just posted

here is a link on the history of voting machines and some other good stuff

here is a complete list of companies i the business

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To: levy who wrote (28)11/16/2000 10:23:26 PM
From: TheLineMan
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here's some research from AT&T:

"In addition, if voters are not careful, paper bits called ``chad'' can remain attached to the back of the punch card and work their way back into the holes that were punched. In 1987 it was found that ballots cast in predominantly black wards in the city of St. Louis were more than three times as likely to be improperly punched -- and therefore not counted -- as those cast in predominantly white wards. A federal judge subsequently ruled that the punch card system ``denies blacks an equal opportunity with whites to participate in the political process.'' The judge ordered the city to increase voter education in black wards and count improperly marked ballots by hand

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To: levy who wrote (28)11/16/2000 10:42:00 PM
From: NotNeiderhoffer
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You know if you Floridians don't get this handcounting crap settled soon I am coming down to get a handjob from each and everyone of you. After all, you have been jerking us off for over a week now, you must be getting good at it right?

surf around this site for a moment and you will find something of interest.


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To: NotNeiderhoffer who wrote (30)11/17/2000 9:48:16 AM
From: levy
   of 69
NotN since everyone has been jerking around I
I am trying to provide straight answers for people...I believe Gore has won it.
Message 14828865

Doyouknowfromwhatstatetheterm"dryhump"camefrom? is the article about their voting machines from WSJ...I imagine this may be why their stock is going up right now.


A Brazilian Firm Sees Dollar Signs
Amid America's Electoral Chaos


SAO PAULO, Brazil -- The world may see farce in America's
presidential impasse, but the company that brought computerized voting to
the inner recesses of Brazil's Amazon sees historic opportunity. And it is
rushing to cash in.

When Joao Abud Jr. awoke Wednesday in Sao Paulo to news of political
confusion in the U.S., dollar signs danced on his television screen. "We
have the solution," says the marketing and sales director for Procomp
Industria Eletronica, which developed cheap, simple and secure electronic
voting machines used by about 100 million Brazilians in October local
elections. "My thoughts were commercial: How can I sell this terminal to
the U.S. authorities?"

Two days later, Mr. Abud hurriedly was printing promotional material in
English about his product, called the UE2000. Diebold Inc., which
bought Procomp last year, had just called to say, "Take the first plane to
Miami with the voting terminal in your hands!" Monday, Mr. Abud will
show off the prized machine smack in the eye of America's political

For Diebold, based in North Canton, Ohio, the $225 million purchase of
Procomp gave the U.S.'s biggest automated-teller-machine provider
control of Brazil's ATM market leader. But elections soon offered a new
strategic outlet: Procomp's $106 million contract to supply 186,000 voting
machines in Brazil was the largest order in Diebold's history.

Then came Florida. "There's been a tremendous increase in interest and
contacts asking us to talk about this technology," says Michael Hillock,
Diebold's senior vice president for international sales. "We're looking at
where we think we could move this product."

Perhaps more remarkable is how Brazil, which restored democracy in
1985 after two decades of military rule, quickly has become a model for
electoral probity. President Fernando Henrique Cardoso took a dig at the
U.S. on Saturday, saying that "the example of the most powerful neighbor
shows that not even there were they able to count the votes as quickly as

There have been bumps along the way. After Brazil's dictatorship ended,
the first popularly elected president won through dirty tricks and resigned
on the eve of impeachment for alleged corruption. Even in October's polls,
many ballots hosted candidates with dubious pasts. The weekly magazine
Veja reported that nearly 10% of those running for mayor and city
councilor in the nine largest state capitals were under investigation for
crimes ranging from tax evasion to murder.

But thanks largely to Procomp's electronic voting machines, no one is
questioning the integrity of the vote count. Brazil began introducing
electronic voting in 1996, but this year was the first fully automated
nationwide election. The dimensions are staggering: With an area bigger
than the continental U.S., many of the 326,000 polling stations in regions
lacking reliable electricity and one-fifth of the voters illiterate, Brazil poses
the greatest challenge to a fair election of any country outside of India.

Procomp used technology to simplify the process, just as it had adapted its
traditional products to the needs of Brazil's banking market. Procomp's
electronic ballot box, which is the size of a toaster-oven and weighs 17
pounds, has a numeric keypad and a small liquid-crystal display monitor.
Voters tap in the designated number of their preferred candidate,
producing the candidate's digitalized photograph on the screen. Then they
press a green button to confirm the vote or an orange button to correct
their vote. A white button lets them abstain. (Voting is required by
Brazilian law.)

People can't vote twice because their registration numbers are recorded
electronically, just as an ATM might prevent a customer from withdrawing
too much money in a single day. It is almost impossible to tamper with the
results, which are stored on an encrypted floppy disk. Even Procomp
doesn't have access to the encryption code.

The terminal operates on a Pentium-equivalent microprocessor, but
Procomp stripped down the peripherals to reduce cost and energy
consumption. It can run for at least 12 hours on a rechargeable battery --
a crucial consideration for polling outposts in the Amazon.

Procomp received a rousing reception on election night in Brasilia, where
the U.S. Embassy borrowed four terminals for a simulated presidential
election. Noting that foreign diplomats "had no difficulty using them," a
local newspaper published a photograph of Ambassador Anthony
Harrington in front of the voting machine, arms extended with two thumbs

For the record, Gore won the instantly tabulated mock vote: 139-53.

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To: levy who wrote (31)11/17/2000 11:11:24 AM
From: TheLineMan
   of 69
If they go for a Federal decision they should get the recounts. They should also win it if Ms Harris denies the people of counties doing their handcounts their rights under the 14th amendement. Even the most broad interpretation of discretion does not include violating the 14th amendment of the US constitution.

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