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To: Elmer Phud who wrote (219015)	12/5/2006 3:30:20 PM
From: kpf	of 275869

Hi Elmer, hope you and everybody on the thread is well. With the smaller die size AMD should see better yield in terms of both percent and total die. All else being equal. I don't see why. All else being equal, for a reasonable approximation to yields I'd suggest rather to look at transistorcount than diesize. However, the part I fully agree in is all things are not always equal..., because designs for manufacturability compensate for the above by means of more redundancy for higher transistorcounts. Edit: Synopsis: For a given design adding redundancy obviously increases diesize and yield. :) K. Congrats to Dresden for the milestone. Kudos to Sunnyvale for decency of todays communication. Hats off!

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To: mas_ who wrote (219050)	12/5/2006 3:36:18 PM
From: Rink	of 275869

Mas, I requested you to put arguments in the posts where you insult Doug. You didn't. So now you're off. A month. One line background: I originally requested both you and Doug not to insult each other again without hard explicit arguments because it lead to a heck of a lot OT. Regards, Rink Last warning: Message 23064192

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From: romus	12/5/2006 3:37:37 PM
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Barcelona freq models 1.9GHz<=>2.5GHz, DDR2-800 Opt1000 / DDR2-667 Opt2000/8000, compiled by HKEPC hardware. hkepc.com Sorry if already posted.

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To: combjelly who wrote (219016)	12/5/2006 3:38:26 PM
From: smooth2o	of 275869

re: But that isn't the only issue at play. At 14W, a Conroe processor is likely going to need active cooling at idle. A 65nm AMD processor won't. Boy, talk about the dumbest post of the day... Maybe you haven't noticed, but all notebooks (and other systems) run power loads at some time (sure you have). That requires cooling, so it's not a matter of just sitting there at 14W. Not to mention, CMW consumes less power than AMD at load. Not to mention that farms of new CMW systems are whisper quiet. Talk about reaching for an advantage... Sheesh! Smooth

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To: romus who wrote (219057)	12/5/2006 3:40:26 PM
From: dougSF30	of 275869

OMG, if that is true, AMD is done like dinner. Expectations were for 2.7-2.9GHz for top (120W) bins of Barcelona. 2.4-2.5GHz ain't gonna cut it.

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To: dougSF30 who wrote (219034)	12/5/2006 3:42:39 PM
From: rzborusa	of 275869

Doug, As an Intel long wouldn't you be happy if it had taken AMD longer to bring up 65nm? Don't answer yet. I will vote against the 20 speedlimit out of a sense of fairness to you. It seems a word count would be more appropriate but way too difficult. I don't begrudge you, and am glad you keep your posts short and to the point, hence numerous. As I understand it, the moderator is not compelled to act. Many including you have been quick to request moderation. It is good to disagree. We get the thread we deserve.

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To: dougSF30 who wrote (219032)	12/5/2006 3:43:02 PM
From: smooth2o	of 275869

You have to wait for 20 posts :) Smooth

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To: dougSF30 who wrote (219051)	12/5/2006 3:43:22 PM
From: jspeed	of 275869

Wow, how stubborn. They've had the product in their hands and have put it through a thorough analysis. This is what they do and they are well known for it. I guess I was a little too subtle for you earlier so let me say it directly. AMD did this to head off rumor and heresay criticism such as you are spinning out here.

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To: rzborusa who wrote (219060)	12/5/2006 3:44:07 PM
From: dougSF30	of 275869

rzb, there is no speedlimit in effect yet...

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To: jspeed who wrote (219062)	12/5/2006 3:46:52 PM
From: dougSF30	of 275869

That makes no sense. There are plenty of independent experts who could offer analysis given a die photo, die size information, and samples to attempt to measure power and o/c-ability. Why not provide it like they have in the past?

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