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To: dougSF30 who wrote (219047)	12/5/2006 3:17:24 PM
From: FJB	of 275872

If I did, I would have linked them already. You aren't in such a state of denial that you don't think AMD is shipping 65nm part, are you? That would be crazy.

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To: dougSF30 who wrote (219042)	12/5/2006 3:18:19 PM
From: jspeed	of 275872

No Doug, they are legit. In fact, you have no business creating your half-baked theories when a company like Semiconductor Insights puts their seal of approval on AMD's process.

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To: jspeed who wrote (219049)	12/5/2006 3:21:37 PM
From: mas_	of 275872

Are his theories ever anything else ? ;-)

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To: jspeed who wrote (219049)	12/5/2006 3:23:36 PM
From: dougSF30	of 275872

jspeed, please spell out what "theories" you consider to be "half-baked" and why. What is the die size for AMD's 65nm Brisbane parts? Are you saying it is not ~125mm^2, as the Inq claims? If it were 125mm^2, what does that tell you, given that the 90nm size is 183mm^2. What does it tell you that AMD provided no samples to reviewers, no die size information, and no die photos to the public? You are just hurling insults, here. How about some answers besides, "I trust that a company that AMD hired said their process was good."

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To: FJB who wrote (219048)	12/5/2006 3:25:49 PM
From: dougSF30	of 275872

You aren't in such a state of denial that you don't think AMD is shipping 65nm part, are you? I am certainly not making that claim. Why would you think so?

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To: mas_ who wrote (219050)	12/5/2006 3:26:55 PM
From: dougSF30	of 275872

Mas! What do you think about AMD's lack of review samples, lack of die photos and size information, and the Inq's claim that the die is ~125mm^2 ? How did that compare with your expectations?

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From: dougSF30	12/5/2006 3:29:48 PM
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news.com.com Wow. These 65nm parts include the SiGe strain, and even with that, no performance benefit. I'm surprised.

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To: Elmer Phud who wrote (219015)	12/5/2006 3:30:20 PM
From: kpf	of 275872

Hi Elmer, hope you and everybody on the thread is well. With the smaller die size AMD should see better yield in terms of both percent and total die. All else being equal. I don't see why. All else being equal, for a reasonable approximation to yields I'd suggest rather to look at transistorcount than diesize. However, the part I fully agree in is all things are not always equal..., because designs for manufacturability compensate for the above by means of more redundancy for higher transistorcounts. Edit: Synopsis: For a given design adding redundancy obviously increases diesize and yield. :) K. Congrats to Dresden for the milestone. Kudos to Sunnyvale for decency of todays communication. Hats off!

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To: mas_ who wrote (219050)	12/5/2006 3:36:18 PM
From: Rink	of 275872

Mas, I requested you to put arguments in the posts where you insult Doug. You didn't. So now you're off. A month. One line background: I originally requested both you and Doug not to insult each other again without hard explicit arguments because it lead to a heck of a lot OT. Regards, Rink Last warning: Message 23064192

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From: romus	12/5/2006 3:37:37 PM
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Barcelona freq models 1.9GHz<=>2.5GHz, DDR2-800 Opt1000 / DDR2-667 Opt2000/8000, compiled by HKEPC hardware. hkepc.com Sorry if already posted.

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