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To: mas_ who wrote (218608)12/2/2006 1:33:02 PM
From: Rink
of 275869
 
Mas, You have not provided anywhere near a reasonable basis for accusations in this discussion thread (your 'call AMD liars' and 'imaginative speculation' are straws). You now show you don't want to listen. You and DougSF have accused each way too much without providing explicit arguments leading to a lot of insulting OT. Hence I'm now giving you your final warning on this topic: Any next time that I think you're insulting DougSF without hard explicit arguments in the same post I'll suspend you. I'm not giving DougSF a final warning because he listened.

Regards,

Rink

- 'call AMD liars' is not a reasonable argument here to insult DougSF:
Message 23063909
Point 4 here: Message 23063595
And 4 here: Message 23063667

- 'imaginative speculation' is not a reasonable argument for the insult to DougSF:
Message 23063667

- This particular discussion starts with this insult from you:
Message 23062854

- Yesterday's related request to stop insults without arguments:
Message 23061900
Message 23062020

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To: dougSF30 who wrote (218625)12/2/2006 1:44:38 PM
From: mas_
of 275869
 
By the time K8L comes out 4-core Tigerton MP will be here. It's definitely needed at the outer limits of server x86 sockets to maintain AMD's mindshare. Selling $2K server parts rather than $500 derivatives is also another no-brainer which you are finally agreeing with. Also the volumes won't be that low as I expect the HPC crowd to snap them up first along with heavy-duty server users. It should be a nice asp booster. I also did not say bad luck but matters out of their control, you don't judge people at matters outside of their control or shouldn't if you are thinking logically. What should make 45nm smoother is the fact that it won't be the first AMD design on an IBM process and also the technical difference between 45nm and 65nm wil be less than 65nm to 90nm as explained by Hans. Hey though feel free to believe AMD is just plain incompetent if that floats your boat ;-). The real surprise will be 32nm, will Intel even be first there anymore ;-)

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To: Plissken who wrote (218621)12/2/2006 1:45:03 PM
From: g_w_north
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<They don't offer 1080 LCD panels yet, their plasmas are behind the curve anyway, that leaves only SXRD which they use in rear and front projection, the latter being rather decent in quality, but at price points of $5k, $10k and $20k, not exactly gamers' fare.>

The new Bravia LCD panels are 1080p. Their plasmas have always been awful and they never really put an effort into catching up. The rear projection SXRD is a pretty good entry point right now for people wanting 1080p in the 50 to 70 inch range.

I have the 360 but I do like the Nintendo games since I enjoy their franchises and the memories. My first video game console was a Telstar Pong unit so that right there will date me somewhat.

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To: Rink who wrote (218629)12/2/2006 1:48:44 PM
From: mas_
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I would like to call a public vote on your moderation as your judgement is severely lacking in my opinion. If you are deposed and Combjelly does not want the position I will be happy to take up the role if people here still want a moderator and I am voted as such. I also would not recognise any previous suspensions you have imposed.

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To: dougSF30 who wrote (218609)12/2/2006 1:50:28 PM
From: Rink
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Not a new general rule. Just for Mas and you, and just for insults to the one another without explicit and reasonable arguments in the same post as the insult. Mas just got his final warning. I've spend more than enough time on this shit. It has got to stop.

In general for all kinds of accusations I see there is a heck of a lot better discussion afterwards if the arguments are provided together with the insult. I'm obviously proposing that to you all. It's nothing more than a simple request though; no general rule. I made a very specific exception here because it has really been enough.

Regards,

Rink

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To: mas_ who wrote (218632)12/2/2006 1:56:33 PM
From: Elmer Phud
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mas

You've overdone it. It's no longer an argument over who's right, it's about who's the most stubborn. Rink's right one this one. Give it a rest.

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To: Elmer Phud who wrote (218634)12/2/2006 2:01:56 PM
From: mas_
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It's not just this issue, the time is well overdue for a vote on this new stricter type moderation where you can't even call another person's argument imaginary twaddle, sheesh ! Quite frankly it's getting ridiculous and I am registering my protest as such.

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To: mas_ who wrote (218635)12/2/2006 2:17:01 PM
From: Elmer Phud
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mas,

From someone who was banned for saying "sorry for the mistake, and the insult", I think you've been given quite a bit more leeway than normal. This has degenerated into a stubborn pissing contest and neither one of you will let the other get the last word in. There's no new ground covered here. Can't you 2 just drop it?

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To: NicoV who wrote (218624)12/2/2006 2:23:03 PM
From: bobs10
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you:

My cable provider is upgrading it's network to be capable of 200 mb/s everywhere by the end 2008, using EuroDocsis 3.0 cablemodems. No fiber to the curb, but it's close (I think less than 100 homes are connencted to the same hub via coax, and those hubs are connected via fiber to the backbone). 200 mb/s is more than enough for a 25 mb/s HD video-on-demand channel.

me:

Wow, I'm impressed. Yeah, no more than 100 homes on coax so they must have driven fiber very far into the system. I had Comcast high speed Internet service that I was paying about $50 per month for. I don't know how many homes were on the node, but I would guess about 500. Obviously service was ridiculous. I switched to Ma Bell for $17 per month and even at 2mbs it's a lot faster than Comcast was. The quality of service has everything to do with how far fiber is pushed into the system, and not some theoretical speed marketing comes up with. Of course I've still got twisted pair telephone service, something I really don't need, so the difference isn't that much. The frustration factor was the big thing. My general dissatisfaction with Comcast caused me to go with Direct satellite despite cable TV being ok.

The problem with VOD is that it can eat up a lot of bandwidth if everyone is watching something different. Let the board know how it works out, I know I'm interested

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To: Elmer Phud who wrote (218636)12/2/2006 2:25:12 PM
From: mas_
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well don't you think your suspension kind of backs up my argument ? ;-)

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