| To: mas_ who wrote (218623) | 12/2/2006 1:25:06 PM | | From: dougSF30 | | | | Not that it can just be used in 4s but that it is the more potent there, the marketing and performance spearhead of the new core. It will make the most waves and mindshare there and AMD are right to make its first impressions there as it shows direct-connect at its strengths.
No, they are launching it there because of the low, low volumes, and high asps. It will not make the most waves and mindshare in that market, simply because other markets are SO much larger, and Intel is currently ahead in the other markets, while AMD currently still *has* a lead already in the 4S market.
Technical matters are often outside of management's control, see Intel's problems with Prescott and Itanium, and for you to ignore this would not be wise to your pocket.
Like the captain of a ship, management is ultimately responsible for everything that happens under their watch. It's not like wall street says, "oh, it wasn't their fault-- just bad luck, so keep the stock price up!"
For instance it does imply that AMD's 45nm transition will be a lot more smoother[sic]
What? What implies AMD will have a smooth 45nm transition? BTW, have you noticed that AMD constantly claims they will close the process lag gap with Intel with each new generation, but once you get within a year or so, they slip, and slip some more, until the gap actually grows? |
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| To: mas_ who wrote (218620) | 12/2/2006 1:27:27 PM | | From: dougSF30 | | | | Where were even the dual SLI benches ?
Perhaps no one had a 2 kilowatt PS handy?
Presumably that doesn't actually work yet.
What a boondoggle.
As a "platform", it's been here forever. It's called a 2S workstation platform. |
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| To: mas_ who wrote (218608) | 12/2/2006 1:33:02 PM | | From: Rink | | | | Mas, You have not provided anywhere near a reasonable basis for accusations in this discussion thread (your 'call AMD liars' and 'imaginative speculation' are straws). You now show you don't want to listen. You and DougSF have accused each way too much without providing explicit arguments leading to a lot of insulting OT. Hence I'm now giving you your final warning on this topic: Any next time that I think you're insulting DougSF without hard explicit arguments in the same post I'll suspend you. I'm not giving DougSF a final warning because he listened.
Regards,
Rink
- 'call AMD liars' is not a reasonable argument here to insult DougSF:
Message 23063909
Point 4 here: Message 23063595
And 4 here: Message 23063667
- 'imaginative speculation' is not a reasonable argument for the insult to DougSF:
Message 23063667
- This particular discussion starts with this insult from you:
Message 23062854
- Yesterday's related request to stop insults without arguments:
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| To: dougSF30 who wrote (218625) | 12/2/2006 1:44:38 PM | | From: mas_ | | | | | By the time K8L comes out 4-core Tigerton MP will be here. It's definitely needed at the outer limits of server x86 sockets to maintain AMD's mindshare. Selling $2K server parts rather than $500 derivatives is also another no-brainer which you are finally agreeing with. Also the volumes won't be that low as I expect the HPC crowd to snap them up first along with heavy-duty server users. It should be a nice asp booster. I also did not say bad luck but matters out of their control, you don't judge people at matters outside of their control or shouldn't if you are thinking logically. What should make 45nm smoother is the fact that it won't be the first AMD design on an IBM process and also the technical difference between 45nm and 65nm wil be less than 65nm to 90nm as explained by Hans. Hey though feel free to believe AMD is just plain incompetent if that floats your boat ;-). The real surprise will be 32nm, will Intel even be first there anymore ;-) |
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| To: Plissken who wrote (218621) | 12/2/2006 1:45:03 PM | | From: g_w_north | | | | <They don't offer 1080 LCD panels yet, their plasmas are behind the curve anyway, that leaves only SXRD which they use in rear and front projection, the latter being rather decent in quality, but at price points of $5k, $10k and $20k, not exactly gamers' fare.>
The new Bravia LCD panels are 1080p. Their plasmas have always been awful and they never really put an effort into catching up. The rear projection SXRD is a pretty good entry point right now for people wanting 1080p in the 50 to 70 inch range.
I have the 360 but I do like the Nintendo games since I enjoy their franchises and the memories. My first video game console was a Telstar Pong unit so that right there will date me somewhat. |
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| To: Rink who wrote (218629) | 12/2/2006 1:48:44 PM | | From: mas_ | | | | | I would like to call a public vote on your moderation as your judgement is severely lacking in my opinion. If you are deposed and Combjelly does not want the position I will be happy to take up the role if people here still want a moderator and I am voted as such. I also would not recognise any previous suspensions you have imposed. |
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| To: dougSF30 who wrote (218609) | 12/2/2006 1:50:28 PM | | From: Rink | | | | Not a new general rule. Just for Mas and you, and just for insults to the one another without explicit and reasonable arguments in the same post as the insult. Mas just got his final warning. I've spend more than enough time on this shit. It has got to stop.
In general for all kinds of accusations I see there is a heck of a lot better discussion afterwards if the arguments are provided together with the insult. I'm obviously proposing that to you all. It's nothing more than a simple request though; no general rule. I made a very specific exception here because it has really been enough.
Regards,
Rink |
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| To: mas_ who wrote (218632) | 12/2/2006 1:56:33 PM | | From: Elmer Phud | | | | mas
You've overdone it. It's no longer an argument over who's right, it's about who's the most stubborn. Rink's right one this one. Give it a rest. |
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