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To: Broken_Clock who wrote (435199)7/6/2020 10:12:07 PM
From: S. maltophilia
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It seems that the study in question lumps in the vast majority of FOIS's which are suicide by cop by mentally unbalanced persons, who, being more or less evenly distributed by ethnicity, are majority white. If you back those out, you get results in agreement with BLM's thesis.

This article has a Correction and Letters. Please see: Making inferences about racial disparities in police violence - January 21, 2020 Young unarmed nonsuicidal male victims of fatal use of force are 13 times more likely to be Black than White - January 21, 2020 Correction for Johnson et al., Officer characteristics and racial disparities in fatal officer-involved shootings - April 13, 2020

This and other articles is why I don't spend time reading ZH .

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To: S. maltophilia who wrote (435201)7/6/2020 11:42:31 PM
From: Broken_Clock
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2 points

Why is attempting to determine if there is racial disparity in FOIS a "fireable" offense?

The authors clearly state that information is hard to obtain and in many cases incomplete, therefore unreliable.

It seems to me that attempting to codify what data there is, eliminate incomplete data, etc. and then begin the process is a good approach, considering the times we live in. Or, we could sit on our asses and watch the county burn.

I think they made some good points:

None of this seems unreasonable to me:

We report three main findings: 1) As the proportion of Black or Hispanic officers in a FOIS increases, a person shot is more likely to be Black or Hispanic than White, a disparity explained by county demographics; 2) race-specific county-level violent crime strongly predicts the race of the civilian shot; and 3) although we find no overall evidence of anti-Black or anti-Hispanic disparities in fatal shootings, when focusing on different subtypes of shootings (e.g., unarmed shootings or “suicide by cop”), data are too uncertain to draw firm conclusions. We highlight the need to enforce federal policies that record both officer and civilian information in FOIS.

Regarding #3 above, it would appear no matter who has been President, the data needed remains elusive. I guess we can conclude it's easier to militarize the police than it is to get them to take accurate notes when shooting civilians.

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To: Broken_Clock who wrote (435202)7/7/2020 12:19:40 AM
From: Graystone
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Hsu's position

The problem is that Hsu didn't just choose to interview and interject on some subject.
He choose a very delicate topic and a study that skewed a specific point.
You can make a headline out of anything but seriously, the last few months have been bad.
The videos don't lie and the militarisation is real, Stormtrooper facism seems to be popular in America.
That right there is a gang in jack boots going after the normal people they are paid to protect.
I understand the chief of that jackbooted gang is defending them all, they were in danger apparently.
It is unfortunate that the atmosphere is what it is in America.
But knowing and understanding that, why choose to stomp in there and poke a nest?
That he seems surprised he got forced out and tagged is perhaps indicative of his general understanding.

Anyone who doesn't acknowledge systemic racism in both Canada and the US has a problem.
There is a reason the demonstrations have had big turnouts, people care.
Deciding to get some attention with a headline from a skewed article didn't pay off for the guy.

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To: Broken_Clock who wrote (435199)7/7/2020 9:58:14 AM
From: Horgad
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"that the race of the officer doesn’t matter when it comes to predicting whether black or white citizens are shot."

I know it was the main point of your post, but that doesn't really surprise me. Cops are biased and use lethal force exactly because they are cops. It is about the attraction to the job, the screening process, the training, the camaraderie, etc. In other words, with some exceptions, a black cop is just a cop that happens to be black.

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To: Graystone who wrote (435203)7/8/2020 10:50:57 AM
From: Broken_Clock
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IOW, highlighting the point that the PC culture is ruling thought in the US and Canad...which doesn't make it right, logically or reasonably sound or moral.

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To: Horgad who wrote (435204)7/8/2020 10:57:34 AM
From: Broken_Clock
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And why why have past Presidents failed to address the issue, choosing to further militarize police instead?

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To: Broken_Clock who wrote (435205)7/8/2020 11:06:36 AM
From: Graystone
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Politically correct

I am not sure that the word politically added to correct really means anything.
The thrust seems to be that if you don't align with that posture you are out of line.
In any ensuing election voters show you the door, so that is why you align, because the people decide.
That many don't agree has nothing to do with the results, unelected is unelected.
Pretending that the majority agree with our individual stupidity is common.
Many individuals think they can run the world, even Kanye.
A guy who has trouble even making a decent record right now is sure of his skill in running the world.
The voters will decide.
That is what politically actually means, you put it out there for "all".
Well Hsu put it out there for all.
And found out he was a complete asshole, from others.
I am sure he thinks he is correct, just another fringe fool ready to run the world.
Politically correct is just another way of saying "acceptable to most, if not all".

It is a good thing that correctness is a posture for many.
Otherwise you get people who think their delusional states are real.
Look at McEnany, totally deranged and actually thinking the US is leading on the coronavirus.
This is so far from any reality that she clearly needs correction.
Unfortunately she cannot be corrected politically, she is a wind up troll doll and nothing more.
However, the deluded idiot who winds her up has to face the voters.
I think the new political landscape after November will contain much more that is correct.
The Republican Senators, collectively, are going to have their gang disbanded.
It would be good for America if the worst of them were imprisoned.

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To: Graystone who wrote (435207)7/8/2020 8:15:48 PM
From: Broken_Clock
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"Whether that will be enough to save his show from "cancellation" remains to be seen, and may very well be determined by the course of American politics in 2020: If Black Lives Matter continues its dominating march through American academic, cultural, corporate, legal and political life, it may end up that Miranda's play will get the axe due to its relative soft-pedaling of American slavery.

Reflecting on the difference between the 2015 of the play's release and the 2020 of today, Clayton observed, "Hamilton the play and the movie were given to us in two different worlds."

Will Obama's presidency be "canceled" from our history? Under the "new" culture, he is obviously guilt of pandering to the pro-slavery white racist Broadway culture, in fact, a modern day just like Hamilton. certainly the case can be made that his Chicago library must never be built.

Burn it down! Burn it all down?

FYI, I am being facetious of course, but on a level playing field, Don Lemon must bring Obama to task as he did with Terry Crews?

I won't hold my breath.

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To: Broken_Clock who wrote (435208)7/8/2020 10:30:21 PM
From: Graystone
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The Wait of History
The Weighting Game

There really is no way to be certain that yesterday will be liked by tomorrow.
You cannot write any script that will stay relevant, not today.
We cannot decide how future generations look at Mr. Obama, we can only decide for ourselves.
And what is taught about today in tomorrow's classrooms has yet to be written.
There is no immunity to this, we are all subject to the same revisions all the time.
Some writers have managed to escape the cage of time, writing history both before and after it happens.
Our lives though are held in the currents of change and chance.
Those currents will eventually deposit the silt that will become history.
None of this will happen until many tomorrows have passed.
At this point in the wash of tragedy anyone's instincts about BLM could be wrong.
And the facts are essentially correct, Washington was a slave owner.
That slavery is written into the fabric of America is not in doubt.
That America today has to wrestle with that devil again is a sad but true story.

Is there a figure whose history is certain right now, certainly, Colin Kaepernick.
His latest contention is that Independence Day has to be viewed differently.
One can hardly contest or fail to understand his actual point.
Many Canadians do not grasp the deep revulsion that indigenous Canadians feel for John A. Macdonald.
A racist and a bigot of the worst stripe, he set out to wipe out Canada's indigenous inhabitants.
His malignant purpose is well recorded in his diaries and were acted out in our shameful history.
Racism and inequality and marginalization have to be dealt with, and not just nationally.
Our whole planet is a shameful story of decadence and privilege shared by a few.
You and I, no matter how well intentioned, are part of that international problem.
We should be helping to unify things, we should be finding common ground.
Worrying about Hamilton and Obama probably isn't as important as wearing a mask.

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To: Graystone who wrote (435209)7/8/2020 11:14:45 PM
From: Broken_Clock
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I agree with your post. I thought Kaepernick was screwed by the NFL as well as the 49ers.
but...this is the culture we're in now.

I expect a level playing field in not going to happen, not now, not ever.

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