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   PastimesDISCUSSION OF DOCTRINE of CHRISTIAN CHURCHES


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To: LLCF who wrote (421)3/26/2010 4:35:40 PM
From: Sidney Reilly
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There is one true church not one true denomination. The true believers from every denomination are the "church". They are divided by varying doctrines. The first believers were all of one mind. Since then the church has splintered. The church will once again be of one mind after it's gone through the great tribulation and been purified and refined. Then Jesus can return for a church "without spot or wrinkle".

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To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (422)3/26/2010 5:26:59 PM
From: LLCF
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< There is one true church not one true denomination. >

Which one?

< The true believers from every denomination are the "church".>

Does "Church" implies Christian?

<The first believers were all of one mind.>

Don't "Eastern" traditions describe the same thing?

<Then Jesus can return for a church "without spot or wrinkle".>

Does Jesus need "a church"? Or are you simply speaking metaphorically?

DAK

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To: LLCF who wrote (423)3/26/2010 10:26:04 PM
From: Sidney Reilly
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Have you accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior?

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To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (424)3/27/2010 12:13:03 PM
From: LLCF
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I think if you answered my questions first it would help me understand what you mean by your question and we could move on to that?

DAK

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To: LLCF who wrote (425)3/27/2010 2:40:53 PM
From: Sidney Reilly
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I don't know what you're asking. That's why I didn't answer them. Maybe if you were more clear I could.

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To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (426)3/28/2010 12:18:55 PM
From: LLCF
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Not clear? Which part isn't clear?

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For example:

What is the "one true church"? Or what do you mean by that?

What do you mean by Jesus returning to a spotless church?

Seems pretty straightforward.

DAK

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To: LLCF who wrote (427)3/28/2010 10:02:07 PM
From: Sidney Reilly
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I answered your questions in my earlier post. The one true church are the true believers all across the world from every denomination.

A spotless church is one that has been purged by tribulation from sin, divisions, and the love of the world.

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To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (428)3/28/2010 10:55:00 PM
From: LLCF
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<<I answered your questions in my earlier post. >>

Maybe it didn't get posted... all I see is you saying you didn't:

""I don't know what you're asking. That's why I didn't answer them.""

<The one true church are the true believers all across the world from every denomination. >

So only Christians... dunno if that makes any sense to me, but I hear you.

<A spotless church is one that has been purged by tribulation from sin, divisions, and the love of the world.>

You mean an actual denomination, church, or group... or just whoever is "holy"?

DAK

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To: LLCF who wrote (429)3/28/2010 11:33:01 PM
From: Sidney Reilly
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Yes only the saved or born again believers are the true church. A lot of people call themselves Christians but are not and have never met Jesus. When Jesus comes to gather His spotless church he will sort it out.

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To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (417)12/15/2010 2:43:25 PM
From: Stan
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I am a fan of Irenaeus. I read his Against Heresies a couple of years ago. The first couple of books were really hard. I had to find a legend on the internet to track the system of the Gnostic gods he was refuting. The last couple of books were great insights to the kingdom and Antichrist, end times, etc. His hermeneutical method was fascinating and enlightening, Midrashic it seems to me. For example, how he compares Mary to Eve in that they were both virgins when they did their respective acts. Eve sinned as a virgin, Mary obeyed as a virgin. Or how he displays that Adam was taken from virginal soil, that is, before any seed was sown in the ground as Gen 2:5,6 says; and comparing that again to Jesus' mother who also had no seed put in her by man so that Jesus could also be born from "virginal soil," so as to recapitulate Adam and his race by a similarity of origins.

I recommend Christians familiarize themselves with the ancient writers such as Irenaeus or Justin Martyr to see how the faith sounded in their mouths, who were so fresh from the apostolic age. We'll be humbled by their practically encyclopedic knowledge of Scripture and how they were able to both present the faith for the edification of the believers as well as how they refuted the philosophies of their day.

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