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   PastimesAll Clowns Must Be Destroyed

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To: 10K a day who wrote (58)12/12/1999 5:47:00 PM
From: re3
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that floyd album is some ways i think The Great Gig in the Sky would be fitting as the last tune i hear of the millenium...

that or something by the Partridge Family <ggg>

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To: MythMan who wrote (49)12/12/1999 5:48:00 PM
From: Lucretius
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yep, everybody seems awfully sure that the trend is up....

seen bulls vs bears this weekend? ho ho... AAII has 62% bulls and 11% bears... we haven't seen those extremes in YEARS

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To: Jumper who wrote (50)12/12/1999 5:57:00 PM
From: Lucretius
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LOL.. sure why not, just mouth off to mythman about how stocks really can fall and you'll be gone quicker than you can say "yahooooo" -g-

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To: Lucretius who wrote (61)12/12/1999 9:22:00 PM
From: Terry Whitman
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Bozo sez buy linux stocks- Didn't you hear? It's a BoBo Market. Clown annihilation has been postponed til Y2K. hohoho

Meanwhile - I'm stocking up on water and Kerosene for the 'Mythical Mystery Tour' when we march one million strong to wall st. and burn AG and Slick in effigy. -g-

BTW- Gold still sux. -ng- Oil may be prepared to bounce though. Bozo sez the gov't won't allow gas to rise. So I'm really torn.

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To: Cynic 2005 who wrote ()12/13/1999 1:12:00 AM
From: Snowshoe
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Mohan, I figured you guys would appreciate this...

Updated: 12-Dec-99
A Brief History of the Market

[BRIEFING.COM - Robert V. Green] Recently it occurred to us that the history of the Stock Market can be divided into several unique phases, based upon the prevailing investment concept of the time. Here is a brief history of the basic driving forces behind the market.

PHASE 1 Buy Stocks That Continually Increase Dividends

PHASE 1, 1760 -1960s The original concept behind stocks was that you became part owner of the business. Therefore, you were entitled to part of the cash flow generated by the business, paid as a "dividend."

This basic idea was the principle behind stocks for the first two hundred years of the US stock market, up until the 1960's.

Or course stocks paid dividends. Who would want to own a business that never paid you any money?

The risks associated with receiving your share of the profits were high, because business has always been hard to guarantee.

Many people focused on the risks of stocks. In fact, the great capitalist Andrew Mellon is credited with the quote "Gentleman prefer bonds" because the risk of default was lower than the risk of a falling dividend.

Therefore, the principle driving force in Phase 1 was: Buy stocks that continually increase their dividend. (There are even people still alive today who remember when this was the dominant theme on Wall Street.)

Management was guided by the following principle: run a good business, make a profit, pay your shareholders every quarter. Good management was defined by how much they could increase the dividend.

PHASE 2 Buy Stocks That Continually Increase Earnings

PHASE 2 1960s - 1990s: Somewhere in the last thirty to forty years, the emphasis shifted from finding stocks that "increase dividends" to finding ones that "increase earnings."

The idea was that, eventually, companies with rising earnings would someday raise their dividend. Searching for rising earnings was simply a way to jumping in ahead of a rise in the dividend, and therefore, "getting in" before everyone else.

Management of companies shifted their emphasis. Because earnings per share became more important than dividend payouts, companies were managed to increase earnings per share.

What's wrong with that? Earnings per share is not always the same as increasing business.

When this shift occurred, in the mid-sixties, it gave birth to the conglomerate mania. Companies with high price/earnings ratios began acquiring companies with low price/earnings ratios. Because the acquirer issued fewer shares (per earnings dollar) to purchase the lower valued company, the earnings per share of the combined companies would increase, even if the total absolute earnings of the combined companies did not increase. Earnings-per-share increased, but there wasn't any additional money.

The conglomerate craze finally came to an end when it simply became too hard to manage giant companies in dozens of industries. Then the absolute earnings began to decline, more than new acquisitions could cover up, with disastrous results for the stock price. (But that's another story...)

Nevertheless, the focus during Phase 2 was: Buy stocks that continually increase earnings.

Growth investors, a term invented in this phase, focused on earnings growth. The P/E ratio became the dominant ratio, with PEG (Price/Earnings-to-Growth) more popular near the end of the era.

Phase 2 ended when the internet stocks came along.

PHASE 3 Buy Stocks That Continually Increase Revenues

PHASE 3 1995 - October 1999: Then, sometime along the way, the emphasis shifted again, to finding stocks with rising revenues. Particularly technology stocks. Particularly internet stocks.

The idea was that explosive growth would make the company HUGE! This was the driving force behind most internet stocks. Losses were unimportant, because it would all be justified, sometime in the future.

Management, therefore, shifted direction of their companies towards increasing revenues. Acquisitions of companies with revenues is now becoming more widespread. Starting new businesses, long before the principle line of business is profitable, is common.

Priceline and are examples. Both are rushing into new lines of business, long before they have made their core business profitable. Such a thing would have been punished in earlier phases of the stock market. Today, they are rewarded.

Price/Sales became the dominant ratio in this era.

But we wonder if even this phase is starting to dwindle. Certainly the last month has been puzzling.

PHASE 4 Buy Stocks That Continually Increase In Price

PHASE 4 October 1999 - ? : And now of course, we have reached the point where you should simply buy a stock with rising prices.

Although we mean this somewhat tongue-in-cheek, there is also "truth-in-jest."

After all, that's what is working right now. Pure momentum is driving the highest flyers in the market. The people making the most money are the ones who are best at spotting momentum early. But the real game is getting out early.

What more is there to say about it? Dividends, earnings, revenue. They've all been replaced as the driving force.

After all, 289 stocks have doubled in the last four weeks. Nearly half, 128 of them, have negative revenue growth rates! But they have rising stock prices.

Phase 4 probably scares a lot of people. But phase 3 scared people too. Phase 2 probably scared anyone who grew up in the phase 1 mentality.

How management will adjust to this new era is unclear.

How long Phase 4 will last is also unclear.

The Unsung Hero of Wall Street
Someone, somewhere, is an unsung hero of Wall Street.

This is the person who initially convinced people that buying a technology stock, which will never pay a dividend, was a good thing. On this person's shoulders lies much of the great growth of the bull market of the last 19 years.

That unsung hero is the one who made it possible for companies to reinvest earnings in new technologies, instead of paying a dividend.

He/she also made it possible for phases 2, 3, and 4 to come into existence.

But most critically, this unknown person is the one who convinced investors that the goal of holding a stock was not to be an owner of a business, but to get your reward from selling to someone else.

Here's to hoping that there is always a ever increasing supply of people willing to pay a higher price.

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To: Jumper who wrote (52)12/13/1999 9:21:00 AM
From: MythMan
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I've noticed that even the Dell Heads have become a bit concerned recently. And they should given the stock's performance vs the Naz the last couple of months and all the insider selling..

That thing is headed for single digits..

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To: MythMan who wrote (64)12/13/1999 9:21:00 AM
From: Cynic 2005
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To: Lucretius who wrote (61)12/13/1999 9:22:00 AM
From: MythMan
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Nah, I think carnage is near at hand...

I just hope I'm short when it happens -g-

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To: Annette who wrote (33)12/13/1999 9:30:00 AM
From: pater tenebrarum
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Annette, not to're the exception to the rule, bassoon-maid! -g-



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To: pater tenebrarum who wrote (67)12/13/1999 9:32:00 AM
From: Annette
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Good!! Because it's a $15K clown!

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