| To: Mike McFarland who wrote (83) | 6/28/2010 2:46:13 PM | | From: LLCF | | | | <I don't think there are an awful lot of active
members on SI--maybe a hundred? A lot less than
ten years ago.>
Wow... didn't know that, but HAVE noticed that a lot of "tech" folks that REALLY know what they're talking about have left... BIOTECH for example, but ALSO the QCOM wonks and all. Too bad.
And I agree with you as keeping thoughts to self... too much arguing going on over dogmatic junk on SI these dayz. Wonderin if it's worth posting much any more.
DAK |
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| To: LLCF who wrote (84) | 6/28/2010 6:18:22 PM | | From: Mike McFarland | | | | I enjoy posting and getting feedback--although I pretty much
confine it to the personal computer thread now. As far as
the biotech guys, the core group of about half a dozen is
still here, I havn't been monitoring those threads--and
I don't expect to be speculating in biotech again, but
it was a great experience when the market was hot.
Getting back to GMOs, here are fast growing salmon
nytimes.com
I don't mind saying that fast growing salmon make
me uneasy--but in general GMO crops do not. I'll leave
it there--I'm just not informed or educated well enough to
say anything one way or the other about GMOs. I certainly
do eat plenty of them--I'm not really into the orgainic
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| To: Mike McFarland who wrote (85) | 6/29/2010 11:38:19 AM | | From: LLCF | | | | <I'm just not informed or educated well enough to
say anything one way or the other about GMOs.>
Me neither... AND my concern is that:
1.) It's not an issue of education... NO ONE fully understands how it works. I recommend a general reading on developmental biology... as that is where all the interesting info on evolution is coming out of. Good search words for learning about how little we know about how genes work are "epigentics" & "micro-Rna's" for a starter.
2.) There are many of the "movers and shakers" are in the same position as we are but are either too close to the trees to realize they don't understand the forest, OR won't admit it.
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| To: LLCF who wrote (86) | 6/29/2010 9:14:03 PM | | From: Mike McFarland | | | | I haven't thought it out at all--but I do have
a kneejerk reaction to farm raised Atlantic
salmon, and I never buy it. Now intellectually
I should eat more fish, especially oily salmon
which is so good for you, but I only treat myself
to a little wild salmon now and then. Having
cheap farm raised fish is probably a net net
good thing and I think I'd be on very thin ice
if I said it is in any way different from wild
(except to say that it competes with fishermen,
and that when it isn't colored it looks to me
rather unappealing).
I've been eating more halibut lately, gosh it has
been good and they had a good catch this season.
I'll try to do a little reading and maybe I'll get
around to clarifying my unease about farm raised
salmon--if I figure it out. I eat pork--and it is
a little nutty to do that and be at all squeamish
about farm raised fish. My stomach is stronger than
my intellect. |
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| To: Mike McFarland who wrote (87) | 6/29/2010 9:32:06 PM | | From: LLCF | | | | < Having
cheap farm raised fish is probably a net net
good thing and I think I'd be on very thin ice
if I said it is in any way different from wild>
Oh, it's different... you can see it, feel it and taste it. That's not to say one shouldn't eat it. :)) OTOH, like farming, it probably depends on HOW it is raised.
<<(except to say that it competes with fishermen,
and that when it isn't colored it looks to me
rather unappealing).>>
Well, there is also the lack of plentiful fish in the wild these dayz... good reason to eat farm raised fish right there.
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| To: No Mo Mo who wrote (89) | 6/30/2010 1:18:53 PM | | From: LLCF | | | | Thanks! Wonder if there are similar groups commenting on GMO crops... some of it certainly doesn't seem to make sense to me... but of course common sense doesn't = "scientific proof" that something is harmful... ie. cigarettes. :)
It is interesting to me that supposedly there is evidence creeping up way down at the protien level:
responsibletechnology.org
FOR sure we know that genes work via multi-level mechanisms which NOBODY fully understands... ie. we don't understand the full effects on the plant or consumer.
In fact, on the crop level (not getting into what people eat) GMO acceptance represents an acceptance as safe and understood of an area of science in it's infancy that no scientist claims to understand.
THis business accepted by some that plant breeding used for thousands of years = today's version of GMO is really ignorant IMHO... it would be interesting of there are any scientists around SI that understand this stuff would comment.
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| To: Mike McFarland who wrote (92) | 8/21/2010 11:42:34 PM | | From: A.J. Mullen | | | | Judge Revokes Approval of Modified Sugar Beets
Interesting. I'm in favor of GM crops. One big plus is the potential for reduction in the use of pesticides. That's not the case for round-up ready crops. I don't know the law, but clearly round-up ready crops allows for massive increases in application of pesticides - something worth some thought.
I prefer the more subtle approach of getting a crop to produce its own pesticide, and Monsanto is a pioneer in this field too. In this case, it might be more important that safety be established and Monsanto got an easy ride for those crops too. There's reference to criticism of Monsanto and the FDA here: Message 26249071, and a discussion follows.
It's the old story: GM is a powerful tool. It could be of great use, and it might do considerable damage in some circumstances. Some are opposed to any GM. That's a mistake, but it doesn't mean all opposition is ill-founded.
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