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To: Patrick E.McDaniel who started this subject1/10/2002 6:37:54 AM
From: Andy Thomas
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into the memory hole...

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To: Andy Thomas who wrote (17742)1/11/2002 9:56:06 AM
From: Tom Clarke
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Natalija Radic offers insight to what is happening there today via this weblog.
samizdata.blogspot.com

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To: Patrick E.McDaniel who started this subject1/15/2002 1:34:06 PM
From: Les H
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Dyncorp disgrace

insightmag.com

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To: Les H who wrote (17744)2/15/2002 4:01:52 PM
From: George Papadopoulos
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Go get them Slobo! If he keeps this up, I think some Muslim or Croat jailmate (if there are any) will "beat him to death" or he will "commit suicide"...Too bad the pictures he showed don't make it on our press...Wish I could watch this, heck it will be a better show on pay per view than watching freak Tyson<g>

Milosevic: U.S. Was Ally of Al Qaeda in
Kosovo
Fri Feb 15, 1:08 PM ET

By Andrew Roche

THE HAGUE (Reuters) - Slobodan Milosevic (news - web sites) told
his war crimes trial on Friday "genocidal" U.S. forces had been the
unwitting ally of Osama bin Laden (news - web sites) in Kosovo, and
demanded Bill Clinton and other Western leaders come to testify.

Bin Laden's al Qaeda was "one of the
fundamentalist groups which sent a unit to fight
in Kosovo" alongside Muslim Kosovo
Albanians aided by the United States against
Serb forces in 1998-9, the fallen Yugoslav
leader told The Hague (news - web sites)
tribunal.

"The attacks on New York and Washington
show what the terrorism you sponsored looks
like when it turns against you," he said in a
speech that ranged across centuries of history
and much of the globe, and exhausted court interpreters.

Milosevic, 60, was extradited from Belgrade seven months ago to a jail
cell in The Hague. On Tuesday his trial began for crimes against
humanity in Kosovo in 1999 and in Croatia in 1991-2, and for genocide
in the 1992-5 Bosnian war.

Prosecutors have this week portrayed him as prime mover in a decade
of massacres, torture, mass rape and expulsions by Serbs.

In a second day of reply to prosecutors' opening addresses, he blamed
the carnage entirely on his Balkan enemies and NATO (news - web
sites). Echoing the language of his indictment, he said the West itself had
committed "genocide and crimes against humanity."

"I'm asking what kind of tribunal this is, if you refuse to try people for
these crimes by the leaders and armies of NATO countries," a coolly
pugnacious Milosevic told judges.

On the fourth day of what is forecast to be a marathon case, he insisted
the hundreds of thousands of ethnic Albanians who fled Kosovo in 1999
during the NATO air war against Yugoslavia had been driven out not by
Serbs but by their fellow Albanians.

The guerrilla Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) "referred to all Albanians
who did not flee Kosovo as traitors," he said, creating an "illusion of
exodus." "There were hundreds of cameras waiting at the borders to
show alleged Serb misdeeds."

The motive was to justify NATO's attack, said Milosevic, showing the
court pictures of carbonized bodies of civilians killed by NATO bombs
in Kosovo and the rest of Serbia in 1999.

CHINESE EMBASSY BOMBING

NATO missiles destroyed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade, in what
Washington insisted was a mistake by Central Intelligence Agency
(news - web sites) target planners using an outdated map.

"It is quite clear that (former U.S. president) Clinton wanted to go down
in history as the first man to bomb Chinese territory by bombing the
Chinese embassy," Milosevic said. "This was no accident."

Milosevic accused Germany of setting out to destroy old communist
Yugoslavia by its support for Slovenian and Croatian independence, and
by secret backing of Albanian "terrorists."

"The German intelligence service rallied up criminals from all over
Europe. They were pushed to Kosovo," he said.

Bin Laden, meanwhile, used anarchic Albania as a launchpad for
violence in the Balkans and elsewhere in Europe, he said.

Some Muslim "terrorists" in Kosovo, had they not been jailed by Serbia,
would now be "going in chains to Guantanamo Bay" from Afghanistan
(news - web sites) instead, the white-haired Milosevic insisted.

"While Americans transport al Qaeda terrorists to Guantanamo...at the
same time they demand all Albanian terrorists be freed from prisons in
Yugoslavia," he added.

The involvement in the Balkans of Mujahideen guerrillas from Arab
states and Afghanistan is well-documented, and U.S. agents followed
the trail of bin Laden and his followers in Albania and Kosovo itself,
before the September 11 attacks.

Accusing NATO of the use of especially lethal cluster bombs, he
showed the court a photograph of a Serb woman killed while plowing
her field and corpses of children in pajamas.

"This is an example of bestiality, targeting people in this way," he said, adding NATO bombed at night
to maximize deaths among sleeping civilians. He showed pictures of shattered hospitals, an old people's
home, buses, houses and workplaces, some strewn with charred and bloodied bodies.

After NATO occupied Kosovo in June 1999, they allowed Serbs to be killed or forced out by
Albanian "terrorists" and "savages." More than 100 Serb Orthodox churches were razed in a campaign
he likened to Taliban destruction of Buddhist statues.

Kosovo, seen by Serbs as a historic heartland, was now run by an "Albanian drug mafia" and the
sex-slave trade, he said.

CALLS CLINTON, ALBRIGHT, BLAIR, SCHROEDER

"I am going to call witnesses here and I want it to be possible to question Clinton and Albright and
Kinkel and Schroeder and Kohl and Dini... Kofi Annan (news - web sites)... Blair," he said, listing
Western and U.N. leaders involved in Balkan peace talks.

Milosevic wants them to testify that the West used him as a peacemaker in the Bosnian war before
turning against him.

Under the tribunal's procedures Milosevic is expected to produce a list of witnesses he wants called.
The three judges have the final say on whether witnesses are subpoenaed.

The reformist Yugoslav government, which handed Milosevic to The Hague, on Friday called his
testimony "disgusting." But the Russian parliament branded the tribunal a "political" court which had
failed to charge NATO states for atrocities.

During his afternoon speech, Milosevic compared Clinton's strategy in fighting the Kosovo war to that
of Adolf Hitler's: to establish a strategic base from which to attack Russia. He described the policy the
Austro-Hungarian empire had adopted toward the territories of the crumbling Ottoman empire in the
19th and 20th centuries, that of keeping Serbia weak and the Balkans divided, he said. Presiding Judge
Richard May urged Milosevic to slow down so interpreters could keep up.

Dressed in a navy suit and a tie in the red, blue and white Serbian colors, Milosevic sits flanked by
seated guards in a courtroom sealed off from the public gallery by a bullet-proof glass wall and
equipped with computer screens and cameras.

Milosevic is conducting his own defense, after refusing to appoint counsel or enter a formal plea on the
grounds the court has no right to judge him, but is advised by Belgrade lawyers.

Judges have entered not guilty pleas on his behalf and appointed three lawyers as "friends of the court"
to ensure he gets a fair trial. The "friends" on Friday appealed for judges to give him leeway in the
length of his address, and he was allowed to continue on Monday until 1 p.m.

Milosevic could face life in prison if convicted at the end of an epic trial some expect to last at least two
years.

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To: George Papadopoulos who wrote (17745)2/15/2002 4:27:05 PM
From: cody andre
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The fix was in long time ago: if the "judges" don't get him on "genocide" charges, Slobo will still get life-in-prison for his last traffic ticket ...

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To: goldsnow who wrote (17736)6/7/2002 6:44:10 PM
From: George Papadopoulos
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I hope they let Milo watch the World Cup games<g>

Join us

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To: George Papadopoulos who wrote (17747)7/17/2002 7:28:53 PM
From: George Papadopoulos
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not sure if there is anyone left here but I am posting this since we talked about it briefly if my memory serves me right...

Greek Police Catch Suspected Nov 17 Guerrilla Boss
Wed Jul 17, 7:07 PM ET

By Maria Petrakis

ATHENS (Reuters) - Greek police Wednesday detained a 60-year-old man who
they suspect may be a leader and possibly even a founder of the country's
most wanted urban guerrilla group, November 17, a police source said.

In what Greek media were reporting as an "historic day," the source told
Reuters the man had been seized by an anti-terrorism squad who landed by
helicopter on the island of Lipsi, 160 miles east of Athens, where he has a
holiday home.

The source said he was being questioned at Athens police headquarters and
documents, a typewriter and a computer had been seized from his main home
in the capital.

Earlier Wednesday police said ballistic tests had linked a gun used by
November 17 to the murders of seven people including a British military attache
and a Greek politician.

Named after the date of a bloody student uprising in 1973 during Greece's
1967-74 military rule, the radical leftist group has killed 23 people since 1975,
starting with the murder of Richard Welch, head of the American CIA ( news -
web sites)'s Athens bureau.

But until the past few weeks, police had failed to identify, let alone arrest, a
single member of a group that ranked with Germany's Baader-Meinhof gang and
the Italian Red Brigades.

HELICOPTER RAID

Witnesses on the isolated Lipsi island, with only 600 inhabitants, told Greek
television stations that the anti-terrorism squad of six had landed in a fire
department helicopter so as not to tip off the suspect.

They said they believed the suspect was a university professor with a French
wife, and that police had taken him into custody because they feared he was
about to take evidence off the island.

Since the manhunt for November 17 gripped Greece at the end of June, there
has been almost unanimous agreement in the media that its founder was a
Greek student radical in the 1960s who studied in Paris and received
revolutionary training in Cuba.

Hopes already were sky-high that the group's demise was near before the
suspect was taken into custody.

An earlier police statement said they had positively linked a .45 pistol
discovered in a central Athens hideout to the shooting of British military attache
Stephen Saunders and parliamentarian Pavlos Bakoyiannis, son-in-law of a
former Greek prime minister.

The hideouts also contained dozens of anti-tank rockets, remote-controlled
bombs and disguises such as fake police uniforms.

BOTCHED BOMBING

Police were led to the weapons cache after suspected November 17 member
Savvas Xiros was injured in a botched bombing at a Greek shipping company at
the end of June.

Xiros, 40, an icon painter and son of a Greek Orthodox priest, is being
questioned by authorities.

The police statement said three other people, including two of Xiros's brothers,
were also being questioned about their links to the group.

Saunders, the group's last victim, was killed in central Athens while driving to
work on June 8, 2000 when two men on a motorcycle came alongside his car
and shot him through the windows.

In a declaration, November 17 wrote that he had been targeted for his alleged
participation in the orchestration of NATO ( news - web sites)'s bombing of
Yugoslavia during the Kosovo conflict, a claim denied by his family.

Saunders's murder set off an outcry in Britain and led to British police joining
the investigation along with FBI ( news - web sites) agents already working on
the case.

With the Athens 2004 Olympics looming, Greek authorities have thrown all their
efforts into tracking down the group.

"All these incidents of the last 27 years...will be solved and they will be fully
solved," Greek government spokesman Christos Protopapas told reporters
Wednesday.

November 17 has also been linked to the murder of Greek police and
industrialists, attacks on Turkish diplomats, a rocket attack on the German
ambassador's residence, and bank robberies to finance its operations.

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To: George Papadopoulos who wrote (17748)8/4/2002 12:40:06 PM
From: Yaacov
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George, you old Greek, your still kicing and alive! I thought you had been food poisned eating your own kebab! ggg

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To: Yaacov who wrote (17749)9/5/2002 11:40:16 PM
From: George Papadopoulos
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Yaacov,

do you hear the hoopla coming from downtown Belgrade?????????They are going crazy there, Yugoslavia beat the USA in the World Basketball championships and advances to the semis while the NBA prima donas are going to play for places 5-8!!!!!!!

I am alive and kicking of course, just became a father again, I got a baby daughter to join my almost 5 year old son

Life is good, now if only Bush would just shut his mouth about wars with Iraq and the bear running rampant in the markets went away it would be even better<g>

Ciao

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To: Les H who wrote (17744)2/9/2003 10:27:24 AM
From: Les H
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UN complicity in sex trade

scotlandonsunday.com

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