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To: lucky_girl who wrote (88227)11/22/2004 4:41:08 AM
From: Janice Shell
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If Tony had NOT been caught he probably would have left the U.S.A. after seeing his wife and kids.

For God's sake. He'd seen his wife and kids in Florida a few days before, at the funeral of the guy who was so horribly murdered in Iraq. In fact, he'd been under house arrest for months, so I assume he saw them all day, every day. If he'd wanted to "flee", why not do it from Florida, where the funeral was held?

If he did leave New York with the intention of leaving the country as well, he certainly chose a dumb way of doing it. Anyone who watches TV could have done a better job, even you.

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To: tralfasador who wrote (88230)11/22/2004 4:48:53 AM
From: Janice Shell
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LOL!! That's Dobry for you. "Fact" is whatever he wants to believe. And in the paranoia department, no one tops him, not even "magic".

The problem of your ignorance is two fold, while others believe your statements to be stupid and a waste of time, you are simply too dim of a bulb to understand or comprehend that you are in fact dismissed as an ignorant paranoid.

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To: Janice Shell who wrote (88234)11/22/2004 6:56:39 AM
From: rrufff
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So, what explanation do you have for fake ID's, cash, jewels, 4 cell phones? All while waiting trial and under travel prohibitions?

What shell game is it that you would give birth?

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From: lucky_girl11/22/2004 8:13:46 AM
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tralfasador/trialeralcommission/lan Tashylk:
I have to wonder WHERE you are coming from?
How can you say that I am doing what Elgindy did?
You would have to be totally nutsoo to really think that!

Have you been reading all posts, tralfasador/trialeralcommission/lan Tashylk?

Don't you understand/remember that Mercy International Relief Agency was Tony’s ‘pet’ charity. If you have been reading all posts you would know this fact!
It has already been established that he was being investigated for giving money to this particular charity when his link to two FBI agents was discovered.

Being a good Moslem, Tony observed what his religion dictated to him to do.
The word that describes one of good Moslem’s practices is ‘zakat’.
Zakat is the practice of giving money to Moslem charities.
Much of the money given to Moslem charities has made its way into the pocketbooks of Moslem terrorist organizations.

THAT IS WHY Tony Elgindy was being investigated for giving so much money to Mercy International Relief Agency.

The following re-post is just one of many posts on this board that point to a strong connection between Elgindy, his family who support Hamas, a well known terrorist organization, and terrorists in general.
With so much evidence placed in front of you I don’t understand WHY anyone would not be able to see the truth in the situation.

Here is the re-post:

So it is with Cantor Fitzgerald LP, which had offices in the World Trade Center and bore a full 22 percent of nearly 3,000 deaths on Sept. 11, 2001 (or 658 people).

Now the bond brokerage has declared its own war on the terrorists, and its weapon of choice is money. Cantor, which moved its main offices to midtown Manhattan, is suing al-Qaeda, Osama bin Laden and Saudi Arabia along with dozens of prominent international charities, banks and bankers for 9/11 damages.

Cantor accuses the Saudi monarchy, via three powerful Saudi princes, of transferring zakat funds to state-sanctioned terrorism sponsors like the Islamic International Relief Organization (which was partly run by Osama bin laden’s brother-in-law, Mohammad Jammal Khalifa), the Muslim World League and the Mercy International Relief Agency.

Cantor representatives claim to know what happened on 9/11—and who paid for the attack. They argue that it could not have been accomplished without the financial support knowingly provided to al-Qaeda by a global network of banks, institutions, charities, relief organizations, foreign governments and foreign government officials.



PLEASE GO to the following web link to read the whole editorial:
timesnewsweekly.com

If you have a problem in believing this Times Editorial I suggest you call and talk to the legal department at Cantor Fitzgerald LP.

Here is the whole editorial:
EDITORIAL

“Follow the money” has always been a sure-fire way of finding out the how and why things happen in this world, and who better to do the tracking then employees of a high- profile financial firm?
So it is with Cantor Fitzgerald LP, which had offices in the World Trade Center and bore a full 22 percent of nearly 3,000 deaths on Sept. 11, 2001 (or 658 people).
Many Cantor employees were attending a breakfast meeting at Windows on the World when the hijacked planes slammed through the skyscrapers. They were trapped above the flames.
Now the bond brokerage has declared its own war on the terrorists, and its weapon of choice is money. Cantor, which moved its main offices to midtown Manhattan, is suing al-Qaeda, Osama bin Laden and Saudi Arabia along with dozens of prominent international charities, banks and bankers for 9/11 damages.
Cantor representatives claim to know what happened on 9/11—and who paid for the attack. They argue that it could not have been accomplished without the financial support knowingly provided to al-Qaeda by a global network of banks, institutions, charities, relief organizations, foreign governments and foreign government officials.
In the complaint filed in Manhattan federal court on Sept. 3, Cantor alleges that prior to 9/11, al Qaeda needed $50 million a year to plan and execute terrorist activities. Despite contributions from Osama bin Laden’s personal wealth, Cantor claims that al-Qaeda relied on a central tenet of Islamic law known as zakat to underwrite its activities.
The brief explains the principle of compulsory zakat, or charitable “almsgiving,” through which Muslims aid the poor and dispossessed. In Saudi Arabia, zakat payments by individuals and corporations are collected and distributed by the government.
Cantor accuses the Saudi monarchy, via three powerful Saudi princes, of transferring zakat funds to state-sanctioned terrorism sponsors like the Islamic International Relief Organization (which was partly run by Osama bin laden’s brother-in-law, Mohammad Jammal Khalifa), the Muslim World League and the Mercy International Relief Agency.
The suit also claims that the three princes engaged in a pattern of racketeering that resulted in “an uninterrupted flow of financial and material support” to al-Qaeda to “plan, orchestrate and carry out the Sept. 11 attacks.”
Cantor directly blames the biggest Saudi banks, charging that the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia oversaw the operations of the banks and knew they were providing financial support directly to al-Qaeda, which is filled with Saudi-born terrorists (15 of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 were Saudis).
The U.S. military still hasn’t captured al-Qaeda’s leader. Perhaps if Cantor dries up the money well, Osama bin Laden can finally be found and brought to justice.

P.S. Janice, thanks for the info. That still leave one to wonder WHY he went to all that trouble to gather together all the money, jewlery etc...and to have the fake I.D.'s made up.

Tony had to KNOW the type of people WHO do this sort of 'underworld' activity, I mean making up fake I.D.'s is NOT what the ordinary citizen does on any sort of schedule.

Well, have a nice Monday everyone :-)

.

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To: rrufff who wrote (88236)11/22/2004 8:16:15 AM
From: magicrecall
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Some people are asking insightful questions here, and some are also providing very useful, verifiable information.

rruff asks a good question here, which has been generally ignored as a topic on this board. Is Elgindy alleging the Feds planted the phony ID, cash, etc., on him to frame him? I don't think so.

Louie has put up the best consolidated synthesis of the information on Elgindy's questionable Middle Eastern links, better than has been seen anywhere to my knowledge. It is sufficient on its face to raise an investigation into State Terrorism charges. Does anyone think that hasn't started/happened already?

Ask the family of any of Elgindy's victims about what kind of terrorist they think he is, and they will tell you: a Financial Terrorist. Taped death threats, extortion of shares for silence, and more are on the record of Elgindy, known to all of you.

And that doesn't mean a substantial number of the victims and their companies didn't deserve to be crushed. They did. It was the innocent public shareholders of the bad companies and actors who deserved to be protected first by the Government regulators tasked with that job, one they seem to be unable to handle, even to this day.

There was and is a "vigilante" element here that did no one any good. The regulator who came up with the phrase describing shorts as "Unregulated Policemen", should spend the rest of their life in either Prison or Liberia, where they would certainly gain a better personal understanding of real vigilantes. The very concept of "Unregulated Policemen" borders on treason, as it is an attack on our fundamental system of modern law.

It hasn't been difficult to identify many of you. To those of you with the ego needs, the names of those like Peter Michaelson, Don DiGiorno (sic?), Floyd Schneider, Janice Shell and others are in the open and well known, and they seem to like it.

Demands on my professional time are such that this will probably be my last post. If I am back in the future, you can know it will be for a reason. If it is of any interest to all of you generally, this Board has the most intense concentration of bad actors and well-intended good ones over any other Board my experts have looked at.

For the good actors, stick with more substance and detail, as have those like Louie and Lucky Girl and a few others among you, and see if you can get some kind of debate started. If you do, more people like me will be back. Debate isn't started with one line personal insults for responses, but genuine exchange of not only facts and ideas on narrow topical issues, but also bigger ideas surrounding them.

The one line unsupported responses are what keep Raging Bull the Gong Show it is, something not worthy of having attention paid to it. I am not interested generally in spending my time listening to paid bashers or pumpers (I have never been either), nor am I curious about the many genuine criminal scum dogs associated with $4.00 posts.

I am interested in getting back equal to what I give. I know that some of you here are the same. Maybe the answer is simply not to pay any attention to posters who put up lots of posts with little substance in them. That is how you will hurt them the worst, simply ignore them.

I would estimate that I have gotten personal responses to about 80% of my posts. Only about 20% of those actually started a dialog on my content, and only 10% questioned my facts. That makes this a non-productive investment. If you want to keep informed people on this site, whether or not you agree with them, query them on sources, and ask substantive questions, whether public or private.

I expect this board to disappear if and when Elgindy is convicted as is generally expected. Having said that, you all should be making plans about where you will meet in cyberspace if that happens. 99% of the Boards out there are simply gibberish, that no intelligent person will pay attention to. This one shows some potential promise, more than it probably showed when Elgindy was present.

Further, people with a real and demanding life will have trouble even bothering to search for the survivor site, not unless they are pointed to it by a friend, as I was to this one. But remember I had an objective, and it wasn't just to vent. I am front and center in the investigation into a scandal that could crash the American Financial System to the favor of certain vested interests. I consider the conduct of these vested interests, both domestic and international, to cross the line from counterfeiting/organized crime into the space of Treason.

Various Federal agencies have received criminal referrals on issues surrounding both Financial Terrorism and Counterfeiting, involving not only global organized crime of every persuasion, but also many forms of State Terrorism. I have read many of the most important such referrals. Anyone here who thinks that these potential criminal actions are coming or is bull manure needs psychiatric care.

If you can help out this problem with substantive information or informed opinion, as has Louie, you do a service to the entire system. I was here to do a similar service. There is an absolute standard of right and wrong that will be applied here, and there are clear differences on this Board between those who are right and those who are wrong. This is a straight legal battle, not much of a political one yet.

This site hasn't been as exciting as I'd hoped, but it has been completely productive. A final point: SI hasn't generally been the problem here, and I have pointed that out where it has mattered. By comparison, with the exception of this Board, generally SI as a venue is a major step above Raging Bull (which I consider a toilet with no flush handle), even over Yahoo Finance's Boards, which are starting to look like they are getting Raging Bull "bleedover".

That's it for while, maybe forever. Best of Luck.


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To: magicrecall who wrote (88238)11/22/2004 8:40:18 AM
From: Man on the moon
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Too late MagicRetard, you can go now, but what you and others have recently typed here is permanently logged. I suggest you try to enjoy whatever free time you have now, and later you should have a nice chunk of time to reflect. Now hurry along now, you're dragging you feet going out door (swift KICK).

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To: Nazbuster who wrote (88213)11/22/2004 9:07:51 AM
From: magicrecall
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I know many. They are clients of people I know personally, or people I have gotten to know in this eight year investigation.

Naked and other illegal insider based shorting stripped billions in cash out of the equity markets in the very orchestrated 2000 Crash (bigger on a percentage basis than the 1929 Crash), with much of it going offshore. And equity markets weren't the only thing being shorted. Do you know how to short a bond or a physical? It is no problem.

I was an equity, bond, derivative and arbitrage trader for major firms and clients for more than 15 years, and I taught arbitrage and technical trading for more than 10 years internationally to the professional markets and exchanges.

Elgindy had 250 to 260 Hedge Funds involved in his site at the top by his claims, probably controlling several hundred billions of dollars. You speak of him only having 1000 to 2000 share positions in some stocks. What did the collective group of his clients as a whole have short in a target company? And what about related market makers? How did they get the shorts on and how did they avoid buy-ins or margin calls?

One major market maker firm huge in shorting was acquired by a major firm whose senior management I knew. When I got through briefing them on that market maker's shorting and the coming crisis, they cut the number of stocks they made markets in by 75% total, and stopped "flipping" to avoid fails.

Ask a technician to explain "On Balance" volume to you. When you see a company trade 10 times the number of shares in its float, or 3 times its outstanding shares, in ten days, what you know is that naked shorts have created "counterfeit longs" for a significant portion of that trading. That is reinforced when you find yourself unable to identify anyone with a major position who sold stock in the same period.

I saw several companies issue stock or other dividends or splits, and get repeatedly presented with demands for more shares than they had outstanding by a double or more. How do you think that happened?

A recently released confidential report done for the SEC says that more than 1700 OTC BB stocks are short more than the "threshold" standard, well more than the 4% figure quoted by the SEC as the number of "Threshold" securities.

You probably will see my exit post when you log on.

In closing, you need to do some technical and practical homework to understand how Pools/Syndicates operate. That is all Elgindy and his friends were at a practical level.

In order to really understand this space, you need to have actually traded or made markets in securities in a B-D, have sold or operated settlement systems, have been an officer or director of several public companies, have ran a hedge fund or managed other's money, and understand how regulators do and don't do their jobs. No one here is stupid, they are just uninformed.

It is the absence of practical industry experience in the regulatory system that makes it virtually impossible for anyone to get their hands around what has happened. If you take a stock from 20 to 2 on 20 million shares outstanding, someone just lost $360 Million, and someone else just made it. Losses in Market Caps are REAL losses, not "paper" losses. The latter term is a con with no meaning.

As I said in my last post, good questions need proper answers. The devil is in the details. Contrary to the generally accepted principal of "Occam's Razor", the simple solution is not the right answer to this apparently complex problem. Rather, there is a complex answer to a very simple problem: How to Stop Thievery through Counterfeiting.

You have asked a good question, but YOU need to get a proper answer. If you don't understand what is going on, find out.

I leave you all with a classic ministration given to most young traders and investment bankers from the Old Wall Street: "If you walk into a room full of people and you don't see the sucker, You're it." Elgindy had this down, even if he had ethical disconnects.

Elgindy wasn't a previously convicted felon by accident. A lot of those on his site were suckers, if that isn't obvious by now. Do they really think they were his first call, or that he ever told the truth about his positions, when he took really took them or when he really liquidated them?

I could write a book about this type of con's methods.

He forgot the old Roman dictum chanted in the ear of every Caesar as he entered Rome after victory. "All Glory is Fleeting". "En sic transit Gloria"? Close enough. He is facing the piper right now for his actions.

Best and Adios, MR

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To: magicrecall who wrote (88240)11/22/2004 9:32:58 AM
From: Nazbuster
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Magic,

Thanks for the non-response. Let me quote YOU:

"As I said in my last post, good questions need proper answers."

You convenienly avoided a simple request, to name ONE company affected. I suspect you cannot name one company that owes it's demise or serious damage to Elgindy and his group alone.

Regarding your preposterous comment that there were "...250 to 260 Hedge Funds involved in his site at the top ...", there were never even that many people as members.

As far as this comment, "How did they get the shorts on and how did they avoid buy-ins or margin calls? ", they got the shorts in Canada as far as I know and they did NOT avoid the buy-ins and often complained about them. I myself got calls warning of buy-ins and simply covered to avoid an unplanned cover.

I think your avoidance of accountability, both as to your identity and the simple demand to name ONE instance of a firm whose demise was even influenced by Elgindy and group, much less caused, is telling. Your departure from the discussion just makes me believe you see the beginnings of your undoing here.

Good luck with your crusade; I think you have way overblown the magnitude of reality.

BTW, I agree with you fully about the failure of DTC to regulate share count. There is far too cozy a relationship of DCT and the industry and too often DTC seems to obstruct efforts to make it operate by the rules. There is no reason DTC couldn't be a fully automated PUBLIC database of share-count; if shares aren't there to borrow, you can't short. It's no different than an airline reservation system.

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To: Nazbuster who wrote (88241)11/22/2004 10:03:54 AM
From: Taki
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The so called defenseless companies that shorts shorted,most 99% were scam beyond imagination.Pure crap scam,as well as their CEO's and insiders.IMO.Lying scambuckets.
To this day most of OTC, and pinks sheets are pure scam.
Look how they shaft the investors with R/S after R/S=New form of scam lately in huge fashion.Does any trader here thinks other wise??????

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To: Nazbuster who wrote (88241)11/22/2004 10:47:01 AM
From: magicrecall
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I'm leaving because I am too busy for this, and for no other reason. Looks like I partly misread you. Well, I tried, but there is the old rag, "No good deed shall go unpunished."

First, Re: DTCC, it makes over $1 Billion a year from shorting of stocks. They have pending RICO actions against them, and the actions aren't going away quietly. Do you understand re-hypothecation? DTCC is selling its seats/shares in its control via nominal ownership more than once, just like overbooking, except they get paid for the ticket just like it was used.

Maybe we can partly agree on that. You should find and read the Nutek/Datascension filing. Read it cold, as if you had never heard the name before. Then, read the Nanopierce filing in Nevada State Court, specifically on the NSCC and the Stock Borrow program. I do no work for either company, but I can assure you their cases are non-trivial on a precedent level.

I didn't name any companies, simply because I am prevented from doing so by my agreements. But, want another name that is in the open, who I don't do work for? SEDONA CORP. Two felony indictments, one UFAP, and a lot more to come unless Andreas Badian wants to spend most of his life in prison, while his brother hides in Austria.

Want 60+ more names? Look at Rhino Advisors' companies, connected to the Badians and Doctor Doctor Batliner, probably the best known major money launderer in the entire world. How many more companies are there?

Dateline has a piece coming sometime in the future. Another company name or two will come out then. Watch the piece. Part of the piece is on a Company Elgindy hit, and helped to virtually destroy, the company surviving only on the sheer will of the founder.

Surrounding prosecutions and litigations on shorting manipulation, my acquaintances and professional relationships have no fewer than 500 companies who have inquired about manipulative shorting of their companies' stocks. TWO-THIRDS are NYSE, AMEX and NASDAQ NMS companies.

I tried to be constructive in my answer to your question. You want names? Do a Pacer/Lexis/Nexis search. Last time I looked there were about 60 civil and criminal actions in this space, including 40 Federal Criminal prosecutions. One set of cases in Western US has already produced 20 plea convictions. I have read them all. Have you?

There were at various times a total of about 600 members on the site, most of whom were silent. The number comes from Elgindy, including the number of hedge fund members. It is in the literature. I have read it. Have you?

You are very aggressive. The best defense to a lack of knowledge of the facts is to grind some research. Sign up for Investrend.com free site. They have published the names of 113 companies that have applied to exit DTCC, complained publicly about shorting, etc., and given identity to the tag "Stockgate" to the description of this crisis. They have put out innumerable articles on the shorting scandal.

Subscribe to The PIPES Report, the best out there on PIPES deals, virtually all of which have been shorted. Read the articles of Judith Burns of Dow Jones. See if someone can get you copies of Dave Patch's pieces on regulations and settlement.

I sold and managed units involved in settlement and clearing services, and I can tell you there isn't so much as a minor technical error in Patch's pieces on settlements. How did he get the information? He took a novel approach, he actually read the regulations. Have you? I can recite them by Section/paragraph number. Can you?

Looks like your good question may have been an accident, but you shouldn't let it be. Stay objective. You don't have all the facts. I don't, and I am years ahead of your power curve on just reading alone, forget relationships in the industry. I had trouble believing what I saw when I started this hard in 2000. As much as I know now, I don't think I have even 10% of what is really going on.

You want more names, do some of your own work. This isn't Quantum Physics. If you can't find a hundred names of companies whose shareholders have been screwed by shorting no one has even noticed, find another line of endeavor. If you can't find the history of how the 33 and 34 Acts came to have restrictions on shorting, simply go to Google and do keyword searches. It is all there. Who was the first Commissioner of the SEC and why was he picked? I know the answer, do you?

I didn't think it would be this hard to disconnect, but this is good housekeeping. This is a sticky site.

Stick with the views of the objective posters who actually back up their opinions with fact. You will be better served. You aren't exactly championing John the Baptist or Ghandi in supporting Elgindy.

I won't be answering anymore messages. Good luck. I would have sent this to you privately, but my service level is 1 and I see no reason to continue for now. I have got what I needed.

Contrary to your impression, this is not a crusade for me. I am not an interested party to any litigation initiated so far, I am just a paid industry consulting expert. I am not a Federal Agent, nor am I agent of any police or investigative agency. Maybe this will quell some of the shattered nerves out there that seem to be so raw, but then again, what are they nervous about?

Keep your head up and don't be collateral damage to this.

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