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To: sea_urchin who wrote (21286)	7/5/2004 7:00:29 AM
From: mcg404	of 81701

Searle, <simply on the basis of a perceived cost-benefit analysis> You give americans too much credit for rational analysis. (g) But i agree with you in a way. I think this is the process: the rationale reason (ie, cheap, plentiful oil) is always left unspoken, so we can maintain the illusion we are more than colonialists and thieves. The emotional explanations are presented as justification: maintain world security, bring humanitarian relief to the oppressed iraqi people, bring civilization to a backward country (ie, the american consumer lifestyle), etc. The potential of the hoped-for result of cheap oil ended many months ago but since that was always the unspoken reason, we had no reason to do anything but dig in our heels, stay the course, not back away from a fight, etc, etc. But now with the torture scandal, americans come face-to-face with the difficult evidence that we are no better and no worse than any of our enemies, just plain flawed human beings, and the illusion of our spoken rationale is shattered...so its time to pack our bags and restore sovereignty...our work is done here...good luck, we've done all we can to help you folks...have a great day. john

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To: IngotWeTrust who wrote (21291)	7/5/2004 7:10:10 AM
From: mcg404	of 81701

Goldtutor, <...in the goldfields or moving cattle and didn't hear the phone.> You have to stop attending so many sagebrush rebellion and shovel bridage events if you want to get the call from Gallop. (g) But i agree with you in at least a couple respects: support for the bush war has been, and remains, strong and the support appears to be regionally divided. john

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To: sea_urchin who wrote (21296)	7/5/2004 7:15:04 AM
From: mcg404	of 81701

Searle, <Could be early days still? XAU appears to be making a "consolidation" pattern.> Are you liking gold shares these days? (i've just cashed my chips in the US real estate casino...looking for some investment themes...not finding much) john

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To: sea_urchin who wrote (21298)	7/5/2004 7:46:50 AM
From: mcg404	of 81701

Searle, <video conversation with Chalmers Johnson> 58 minutes...and it restarts if you hit pause! maybe later. he did get me interested in the first few minutes with his reference to 'the search for new enemies' after the collapse of the FSU. Enemies - a basis human need? My enemy, you complete me. john

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To: Nikole Wollerstein who wrote (21312)	7/5/2004 7:50:01 AM
From: mcg404	of 81701

Nikita, <Nadar is an idiot> Would you care to explain the reason(s) for you opinion? Or is it just a personal attack because you disagree with his politics? john

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To: mcg404 who wrote (21316)	7/5/2004 10:21:36 AM
From: sea_urchin	of 81701

John > sad little functionaries seeking to prevent the sort of religious war that plagued Europe during the 16th and 17th centuries.> Perhaps the same for the american prison guards at Abu Ghraib Identical situation. It's always the "good" guys who are eradicating "evil". Just like here: law.umkc.edu And how does one know who the good guys are? They are the ones who support the government.

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To: mcg404 who wrote (21317)	7/5/2004 10:32:41 AM
From: sea_urchin	of 81701

John > You give americans too much credit for rational analysis So, no-one can accuse me of being "anti-American"! I'm satisfied, in my own mind, why the Iraqi invasion came about and that opinion doesn't change from week-to-week. In fact, it hasn't changed at all. Therefore, I just find it strange that others can have opinions which vary from moment to moment, apparently depending on a speech or an incident or a poll or whatever. Accordingly, because the quoted opinion keeps changing, and for nonsense reasons, the American "analysis" isn't rational at all -- it's irrational!

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To: mcg404 who wrote (21319)	7/5/2004 10:42:15 AM
From: sea_urchin	of 81701

John > Are you liking gold shares these days? My comments about the XAU "consolidating" were not predicated on my "liking" gold shares. Shares go up and down all the time and it seems like it is time (on the chart) for gold/shares to go up a bit. There's nothing more than that -- no secret knowledge, no special belief in the Chinese economy, no imminent end of the world disaster, no hyper-inflation, no gold selling conspiracy, no nothing. Just me looking at some charts.

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To: mcg404 who wrote (21320)	7/5/2004 10:49:36 AM
From: sea_urchin	of 81701

John > Enemies - a basis human need? My enemy, you complete me. I also didn't get it all so I can't fill in for you. But I did get most of it. I get pissed off these days with so many different audio/video formats, each requiring a special player or something different. If one could just download the file as an mpeg or mp3 and then play it at one's leisure, it would be a whole lot easier and better, but that's too simple. Everyone has to have at least six players connected to innumerable advertising streams --- and even then you have to be very lucky.

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To: sea_urchin who wrote (21323)	7/5/2004 10:50:04 AM
From: philv	of 81701

"I'm satisfied, in my own mind, why the Iraqi invasion came about and that opinion doesn't change from week-to-week." I couldn't resist replying, as the invader himself doesn't seem sure, and has been constantly shifting his reason for the invasion. It has now come down to something like this: "Saddam was a bad guy, therefore taking him out was a good thing." Quite a change from WMDs, clear and present danger, Al Qaeda links, nuclear weapons program, 9/11, etc. etc. which were all thrown in, in the beginning.

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