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From: SI Ron (Colonel Sammy)8/11/2018 10:49:33 PM
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This was made by Crocodile, I added the captions for a spoof on banned and suspended members back in the late 90's.


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To: SI Ron (Colonel Sammy) who wrote (1230)8/12/2018 12:20:18 AM
From: Intrepid1
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So this poster I had befriended here on S.I decided to meet up with me at the Stardust Casino lobby in Las Vegas in 1998. In order to recognize each other we agreed to wear the S.I. Tee shirts we had received for signing up to S.I.

Well I saw this long haired dude wearing an S.I. Tee shirt so I snuck up behind him grabbed him and said "Casino Security"

He literally jumped a mile.

Turns out he was a Professional card counter.

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To: Intrepid1 who wrote (1231)8/14/2018 9:12:24 AM
From: Zen Dollar Round
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He literally jumped a mile.

"I don't think it means what you think it means."

~ Inigo Montoya

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To: Intrepid1 who wrote (1229)9/4/2018 10:41:33 PM
From: Graystone
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Jeffrey and Bill and Janice. Those were very exciting times. I think they had to use someone's homeowners insurance to cover the costs. Webnodes, everyone wanted a webnode.

I never did get my Webnode now that I think about it....

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To: Graystone who wrote (1233)9/4/2018 10:47:40 PM
From: Intrepid1
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We should have all been lining up to buy Bill's homeowners insurance. A prime example of Deus Ex Machina.


"I returned my webnodes for a full refund including shipping costs."

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To: Intrepid1 who wrote (1234)9/4/2018 11:29:59 PM
From: Graystone
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Bill was perhaps the only sitizen to truly get it all, like in that movie.


Not that movie, the other one.

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To: Graystone who wrote (1235)9/6/2018 12:46:31 PM
From: Jeffrey S. Mitchell
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Actually, it was my homeowner's policy, from Safeco. Back then, personal liability coverage was one of those small upcharges insurance companies made a killing on. Then the Internet became a thing. Clearly, insurance companies back then didn't anticipate all the lawsuits from people freaking out over seeing bad stuff about them "in writing" with a lifespan of "forever".

Back then, only California had an anti-SLAPP statute. It was created specifically to protect people speaking out against politicians in the newspaper-- politicians who would then sue these critics to shut them up and discredit them. I figured why not apply that analogy to the Internet? The attorney I called who was pioneering these suits agreed to see if that could fly. I paid him myself and with donations from people here on SI. SI Brad gave $20K btw. Back then he wanted to be anonymous; I assume he'd be OK with it now. I don't have a list any more, so thanks again to everyone who also contributed.

Anyhow, as you know, attorneys are quite expensive and are good at running through money. When the bills started piling up, someone on SI suggested I check my homeowner's policy, which had never occurred to me. Lo and behold, there was coverage. But now I had to use their lawyers.

Business Wire's lawyers also decided to throw in a Lanham Act violation, i.e. misuse of copyright. Had we forged a press release, OK, that would make sense. Rather, I paid $500 using my own name (i.e. legally) to issue the PR. But the entire reason they brought this bogus claim was so they could argue that because this was a Federal, not State, charge, the case should be in a district, not state, court, hence the anti-SLAPP procedure would not apply. We of course argued this was "case-laundering"-- that if this ruse worked, everyone would do it, thus invalidating CA specific law in general.

My attorney agreed, and said Safeco was obligated to pay him if I were prepared to litigate this for another year or two to prove as such. I was. Of course. However long it took. Then, a short while later, I got another call about settling. It turns out that BW had already spent well over $1M on their own attorney fees, not to mention was getting (rightfully) beat up in the media. It also doesn't look good to be suing your customers.

I'll digress a bit here and say I have a very strong feeling that the reason BW brought the suit to begin with is because certain people here on SI who, shall we say, "disliked" us, contacted BW to tell them we all actually were criminals. I say this because I had my uncle, an attorney, be my first representative to deal with BW. He was like "are you guys doing stock manipulation or something?" I was like, wait, what? Apparently that's what "people" were telling the BW lawyers.

But getting back to the story-- Safeco was projecting their own legal fees would also be astronomical. Insurance companies are in the business of cutting their losses and moving on, not trying to win lawsuits. Keep in mind that we are not a "loser pays" society, so this is all about money to them, not justice. BW was hoping to recoup "something" just to say they did, and Safeco was willing to pay "something" to avoid having to pay a substantial amount instead. I, being a businessman, understood that, and of course said... "tough sh!t". No way was I going to have one of those "the parties have settled... amount undisclosed" press releases which I was prohibited from ever talking about.

Of course this didn't sit well with either party, but this was my/our right. I/we would only settle if 1) BW put in writing that all charges had been dropped "with prejudice" (could never be brought again), 2) The settlement remained unsealed (was public), and 3) None of us had to sign a non-disclosure or any form prohibiting us from talking about the case, then OK. And that's what happened.

So, there you have it, the first case (I know of) of someone getting sued for "Fake News"!

- Jeff

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To: Jeffrey S. Mitchell who wrote (1236)9/8/2018 11:51:04 PM
From: Graystone
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FBN
or
The things you used to do.
Hello old friend. FBN was an inspired bit of creative imagery, straight outta Connecticut, or somewhere like that. It was hilarious (from a distance) and certainly was "fake news". That was the thing though, most of us knew we were being foxed. I enjoyed watching people try to penetrate the tough outer layer of digital bullshit protecting the juicy laughs within. I still have some FBN bookmarks and haven't changed that kind of stuff (Peoplemarks, Bookmarks) much as you can imagine, my time here has been intermittent for more than a decade.
Back then it was babies, business and SI, in that order as well. (with the babies part being inclusive of Rocks though she would say she often took a backseat to SI.)
I cannot imagine who??? would have ever told Business Wire that kind of stuff about you. OK, if I wanted to imagine I probably could.

As I age I get the urge to speak out about things but I suppose that would simply be me ignoring my own good advice to age gracefully.

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To: Graystone who wrote (1237)9/9/2018 12:26:22 PM
From: Jeffrey S. Mitchell
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The irony of having a board called "The History of Silicon Investor" is that every single message ever written here is still here, for anyone to see at any time. I suppose we can add some sort or perspective, but the record really speaks for itself. Taken as a whole, SI quickly became a self-filtering watering hole for people unafraid to suffer the slings and arrows that come with expressing one's opinion in a public forum. If any of us ever got hit in the head and decided to run for office, our opponent would have a field day with what we've written. But, on the other hand, my guess is that most of us would not regret any of it because it was genuine, at least at the time we wrote it. At least that's how I look at it. :)

- Jeff

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To: Jeffrey S. Mitchell who wrote (1238)9/23/2018 11:44:13 PM
From: Graystone
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Sincerity is important, I am not sure there is any way to measure that. I can hear you clearly, you are more than a label, my view of you grew out of the froth of all that you wrote that I read, not just to and from me but to and from everyone. Going back and reading things that we wrote ten years ago can be informative. So I did that...the best way back is old Subjectmarks...(for me anyways). That lets me alight in the land of time remembered... Subject 31606

I haven't read it yet, just posted the Subjectmark. As you can see the only Subjectmark is mine. Let me go read what I wrote and I will tell you if I agree with me


I am very happy that Canada has decided to legalize marijuana. It is a good thing. I am going to stay holiday in Canada next year. We are heading to Prince Edward Island to take advantage of the wonderful beaches. My family has always loved swimming. Our favourite vacation so far has been the Kona side of the Big Island, we were in the ocean almost everyday at 8:30 or 9:00, I actually have a prescription snorkeling mask. Ok, now I will actually read that thread...

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