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To: Rarebird who wrote (115252)1/6/2022 1:09:47 PM
From: Horgad
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Most likely you are correct, unless the Feds have finally lost control of inflation and the currency. That being a rare once in maybe 100 or 200 year event, people should not bet on it, but rather should be insured against it. IMHO

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To: Rarebird who wrote (115252)1/6/2022 1:19:57 PM
From: Sun Tzu
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I wonder if some central banks are adding to their gold reserves.

What do you make of silver? I would have expected that it should be doing much better than it is based on pick up in industrial activity while the mainlining capacity is still not that high.

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To: Horgad who wrote (115253)1/6/2022 1:21:17 PM
From: Rarebird
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Ultimately, the Fed is going to have to choose between an outright recession and possible Great Depression or inflation. When all is said and done, I think they will back off after the Market falls 15%-20%.

The days of Goldilox are over.

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To: Sun Tzu who wrote (115254)1/6/2022 1:26:54 PM
From: Rarebird
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It's always hard to figure whether Silver is being viewed by the Market as an industrial metal or a currency. Sure, it is both. But the market usually treats Silver like its big Sister, Gold.

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To: Rarebird who wrote (115255)1/6/2022 1:33:41 PM
From: Sun Tzu
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I agree. As I said the other day, inflation should peak in Q1 and growth is slowing down. Which should make for a contrary bet on bonds.

But all tech is not the same. As I look at the SPACs, I cannot think of any reason why they could not go below their IPO.

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To: Rarebird who wrote (115256)1/6/2022 1:36:13 PM
From: Sun Tzu
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Silver usage is normally split 2:1 for industrial+consumer use to investment/precious metal. So I've often thought about it more as a rich man's copper than a poor man's gold. But recently it has been neither :-/(

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To: Sun Tzu who wrote (115258)1/6/2022 2:10:12 PM
From: Sultan
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IMHO, Silver demand and price should do better then Gold and Copper should do better then Silver in terms of demand going forward..

As EV production increases, quite dramatically next 2-3 years +, Copper demand is projected to explode and supply is going to be a big question.. There are enough research reports on demand vs. supply, new or lack of big discovery and lead time to develop the mines etc..

But for now, it is all very subdued as if nothing is going to change..

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To: Sultan who wrote (115259)1/6/2022 2:28:30 PM
From: Sun Tzu
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I've heard that EVs should increase demand for silver, but I've never seen any hard data as to how much silver is used in an EV.

Have you seen any hard data on forward demand for silver? I am looking for something along the lines of each EV uses X amount of silver while each ICE uses Y amount, therefore the net effect will be Z.

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Edit - there are some numbers floating around for silver use in EVs, but they all come from the silver CEOs. I am looking for something from a metals analyst.

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To: Sun Tzu who wrote (115260)1/6/2022 3:06:10 PM
From: Sultan
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I have not seen any numbers for Silver use in EV.. Silver usage is usually mentioned in Electronics, Solar, medical etc. so increased use of electronics, chips in EV etc. and demand in solar means silver has a steady demand to come.. Ages ago, it was photography.. Whether Supply will be there to meet it who knows because like a lot of things in commodities, a new mine takes years and years to come to production.. I have seen some presentation on Silver so if I can dig it up, I will post...

Copper on the other hand has a lot of numbers they throw around.. Here is a sample..
Per the Copper Development Association Inc., traditional cars have 18-49 pounds of copper, hybrid EVs contain approximately 85 pounds and plug-in hybrid EVs use 132 pounds
Disclaimer.. I own a small copper play.. CMMC.TO .. Copper Mountain Mining.. It is a BC based copper producer with mine in BC.. Shares also trade on Australian Exchange since they also own a well-advanced project in Australia and they will be coming up with details, in terms of financing, construction etc. post pandemic because at present, everything in Australia is essentially shut down.. cumtn.com

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To: Sun Tzu who wrote (115260)1/6/2022 3:18:04 PM
From: John Koligman
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I saw a bunch of articles out on the web all stating numbers in the range below:

Average vehicle silver loadings, which are currently estimated at 15-28 grams (g) per internal combustion engine (ICE) light vehicle, have been rising over the past few decades. In hybrid vehicles, silver use is higher at around 18-34g per light vehicle, while battery electric vehicles (BEVs) are believed to consume in the range of 25-50g of silver per vehicle. The move to autonomous driving should lead to a dramatic escalation of vehicle complexity, requiring even more silver consumption. Silver automotive demand this year is projected to be 61 Moz;Ancillary services that require silver are also increasing, including charging stations and charging points for electric vehicles; andThe acceptance of BEVs is gaining momentum, as an increasing number of countries adopt policies that support the BEV industry.

https://mercomindia.com/solar-ev-sectors-to-prop-silver-demand/

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