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To: Sam who wrote (1683)12/16/2021 10:11:46 AM
From: Art Bechhoefer
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The spectrum bands used by 5G are different and separate from the wave bands used by aircraft equipment. The problem is not one of spectrum allocation but revolves around ancient, outdated equipment on aircraft that do not have modern filters to prevent contamination from nearby 5G spectrum. The aircraft industry has for decades been slow to adopt the latest and best instrumentation, and this is simply one more example of the industry trying its hardest to avoid spending one extra cent on updating its own equipment.


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To: Art Bechhoefer who wrote (1684)12/16/2021 10:40:13 AM
From: Moonray
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...and this is simply one more example of the industry trying its hardest to avoid spending one extra cent on updating its own equipment.
I doubt they feel they even have that extra cent.
Last year was a lousy year and probably that extra
cent went to the airlines' officers' payay.

Delta's CEO was scrambling to get his due:
As Chief Executive Officer at DELTA AIR LINES INC, Edward H. Bastian
made $17,291,985 in total compensation. Of this total $945,833 was received
as a salary, $3,516,987 was received as a bonus, $4,125,096 was received
in stock options, $8,375,463 was awarded as stock and $328,606 came from
other types of compensation.

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From: Moonray12/16/2021 11:59:03 AM
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Cruz flies UAL all the time. Wants more for his money.
Ted Cruz lambasts CEO at hearing over vaccine mandate

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To: OldAIMGuy who wrote (1680)12/17/2021 5:57:00 PM
From: Moonray
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Southwest Airlines CEO Kelly Tests Positive for Covid-19
Other executives at the hearing included American Airlines
Group Inc. CEO Doug Parker, United Airlines Holdings Inc.
CEO Scott Kirby and Delta Air Lines Inc. Chief of Operations
John Laughter. More at: Message 33624561

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From: TimF12/21/2021 11:08:36 PM
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How Airlines Quietly Became Banks

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From: Sam12/23/2021 8:45:58 PM
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United Airlines Holdings Inc. is canceling dozens of flights over the holiday weekend, as a surge of Covid-19 cases impacts crews, and Delta Air Lines Inc. also cited the variant as a factor behind a number of cancellations.

At both airlines, the cancellations account for a relatively small share of planned flying.

United has canceled about 131 flights scheduled for Friday, about 7% of its planned schedule, and about 28 that were slated for Sunday, according to FlightAware, a flight tracking site.

United said it was scrubbing some flights as a proactive step in an effort to minimize last-minute disruptions, as some pilots and flight attendants won't be able to work because of Covid-19 infection or exposure.

"The nationwide spike in Omicron cases this week has had a direct impact on our flight crews and the people who run our operation," United said in a statement.

A United spokeswoman said the carrier is taking steps such as using larger aircraft and rerouting pilots to cover flying.

Delta said there are multiple factors behind its decision to proactively cancel some flights in the coming days, including the impact of the Omicron variant and potential bad weather in some areas.

"Delta teams have exhausted all options and resources -- -- including rerouting and substitutions of aircraft and crews to cover scheduled flying -- -- before canceling around 90 flights for Friday," the airline said in a statement.

Airlines have said they expect this week and next to be among the busiest since before the pandemic. U.S. airports have been bustling even as restaurants, entertainment venues, and other businesses have started to feel the effects of the surging case numbers.

Other carriers have cautioned in recent days that there could be worker shortages that disrupt operations, as the Omicron variant races across the U.S. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention currently recommends that fully vaccinated people with breakthrough infections remain isolated for 10 days -- -- something that the chief executives of Delta and JetBlue Airways Corp. have asked to shorten.

Airlines for America, a trade group that represents major carriers including United, Delta and JetBlue, echoed that request in another letter Thursday.

"That workforce is essential to enable Americans who need to travel domestically or internationally and to keep cargo supply chains operational," A4A CEO Nick Calio wrote to CDC Director Rochelle Walensky. "As with healthcare, police, fire and public transportation workforces, the Omicron surge may exacerbate personnel shortages and create significant disruptions to our workforce and operations."

The CDC on Thursday updated its guidance to recommend that healthcare workers with Covid-19 who don't have symptoms can return to work after seven days with a negative test and that isolation times can be further cut if there are staffing shortages. The agency specified that its new guidelines apply only to healthcare workers.

Several carriers were already dealing with labor shortages, as they restored flights this year, though United has largely avoided many of those problems.

United was among the first major U.S. companies to impose a strict vaccine mandate on its workforce. The airline has said that the most of its 67,000 U.S. employees are vaccinated, including all its customer-facing workers, while 2,000 requested exemptions for medical or religious reasons. Delta has imposed a $200 monthly surcharge for unvaccinated workers and has also said the most of its workforce is vaccinated.

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To: Sam who wrote (1689)12/24/2021 5:14:12 AM
From: Glenn Petersen
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More than 1,600 Christmas Eve flights are canceled globally amid the spread of Omicron.

New York Times
December 24, 2021

Thousands of would-be travelers received the same troubling message on Thursday: a last-minute cancellation of their Christmas Eve flight because of the recent spike of Omicron cases.

United Airlines canceled at least 150 flights scheduled to leave dozens of airports on Friday — along with 44 more that were supposed to take off on Saturday, according to Flight Aware. Other airlines, including Delta, JetBlue and Allegiant, did the same.

In Australia, dozens of flights were also canceled at airports in the major cities of Sydney and Melbourne as coronavirus cases in the country surged to their highest since the start of the pandemic.

The number of cancellations globally as of Friday morning added up to more than 1,600, the Flight Aware website showed.

It was the latest blow to the holiday season, mainly caused by the new and highly transmissible Omicron variant, which now accounts for more than 70 percent of new coronavirus cases in the United States. Nearly 170,000 people are testing positive every day in the country, a 38 percent increase over the last two weeks, according to The New York Times’s coronavirus tracker .

In its statement, United said that Omicron’s “direct impact on our flight crews and the people who run our operation” led to the cancellations. Crew members had been calling in sick, according to a spokesman, Joshua Freed, who said that United alerted customers as soon as it could. And while Mr. Freed said he didn’t expect the airline to cancel more flights, it remained a possibility.

“We are really managing this day by day,” he said. “There may be some more flight cancellations for Saturday. It’s possible.”

In its statement, the airline said it was working to rebook as many people as possible in time for the holidays.

Customers took to social media to air their grievances about the cancellations.

In Australia, which has recorded more than 500 Omicron cases, many airline staff members are unable to work after being identified as close contacts of positive coronavirus cases, airline officials said. Under government requirements, they are required to isolate for seven days.

“A large number of our frontline team members are being required to test and isolate as close contacts given the increasing number of cases in the general community,” a representative for Jetstar Airways said by email on Friday afternoon local time. “As a result, we have had to make some late adjustments to our schedule.”

Eighty flights arriving at and departing on Dec. 24 from Sydney, the country’s most populous city, had been canceled, a spokesman for the airport said, out of a total of 500.

According to Melbourne Airport’s flight-tracking website, more than 70 flights departing or arriving from the airport on Dec. 24 had also been scrapped, out of 700 flights. Brisbane Airport said that 45 flights had been canceled.

Giulia Heyward and Yan Zhuang

Christmas Eve Flights Canceled and Times Square Celebration Scaled Back Amid Omicron - The New York Times (

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To: Glenn Petersen who wrote (1690)12/24/2021 12:18:57 PM
From: S. maltophilia
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The worst of it is probably not where expected

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From: Sam12/25/2021 12:43:46 PM
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U.S. airlines scrap hundreds of Christmas Day flights due to Omicron

Reuters December 25, 2021 11:51:00 AM ET

WASHINGTON, Dec 25 (Reuters) - U.S. airlines canceled close to 900 flights on Saturday, the second straight day of massive cancellations as surging COVID-19 infections have sidelined some pilots and other crew members, upending plans for tens of thousands of holiday travelers over the Christmas weekend.

More than 880 Christmas Day flights, including domestic flights and those into or out of the country, were canceled, up from 690 on Christmas Eve, according to a running tally on flight-tracking website . Around 800 flights were delayed.

The Christmas holidays are typically a peak time for air travel, but the rapid spread of the highly transmissible Omicron variant has led to a sharp increase in COVID-19 infections, forcing airlines to cancel flights as pilots and crew need to be quarantined.

United Airlines canceled 230 flights, a company spokesperson said.

"The nationwide spike in Omicron cases this week has had a direct impact on our flight crews and the people who run our operation," spokesperson Maddie King said. She added that the cancellations made up a small portion of United's 4,000 average daily flights during the holiday season.

"We are working hard to rebook as many people as possible and get them on their way for the holidays," she said.

FlightAware data showed that Delta Air Lines scrubbed 292 flights as of 11:23 a.m. EST (1623 GMT), while a spokesperson for American Airlines said the carrier had to call off 90 mainland flights. Globally, a total of more than 2,500 flights were called off on Saturday and some 4,200 others were delayed.

"Our operation has been running smoothly, and unfortunately a number of COVID-related sick calls led us to make the difficult decision to pre-cancel some flights scheduled for today," a spokesperson for American Airlines said.

Not all airlines were affected equally. A spokesperson for Southwest Airlines said there were no issues to report with the carrier's flights on Saturday.

The Omicron variant was first detected in November and now accounts for nearly three-quarters of U.S. cases and as many as 90% in some areas, such as the Eastern Seaboard.

The average number of new U.S. coronavirus cases has risen 45% to 179,000 per day over the past week, according to a Reuters tally.

While recent research suggests Omicron produces milder illness and a lower rate of hospitalizations than previous variants of COVID-19, health officials have maintained a cautious note about the outlook.

Ahead of the Christmas holiday, Americans scrambled for COVID-19 tests and many went ahead with their travel plans.

U.S. officials have said that people who are fully vaccinated should feel comfortable proceeding with holiday travel.

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From: OldAIMGuy12/30/2021 10:56:41 PM
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