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Politics : Formerly About Applied Materials
AMAT 210.26-3.4%Jul 19 4:00 PM EDT

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To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (70883)10/23/2003 4:51:35 AM
From: zonder  Read Replies (2) of 70976
This [state-sanctioned killing] can't be classed as revenge killing

I didn't say capital punishment was "revenge killing". I pointed out that it is an inhuman, outdated practice the US still practices.

That appears bizarre and inhuman to Europeans. But you don't think it is, obviously.

If you wish to say killing a person under any circumstances is wrong, then I presume you are a total pacifist and oppose war under any conditions?

Violence is justified only in self-defense. And, no, killing a convict who is already in a cell is NOT self-defense. Incidentally, nor was invading a country who hasn't aggressed anyone in pretty much the last decade, weakened by years of sanctions, who had no real ties to the guys who attacked you.

>>>Honor killings happen in the least educated and most conservative places of the Middle East. It is certainly not common practice everywhere. There was one such honor killing in Southeastern Turkey that I read about a few months ago, but in Turkish cities, girls and boys hold hands & kiss in the streets and nobody kills anyone. <<<
And suicide bombings carried out against civilians are ..... ? Or attempting to blow up Los Angeles International Airport? Or the World Trade Center? Or ramming jets into skyscrapers?

Don't make me think you are incapable of distinguishing between (1) a family killing the girl because she has flirted around and "tainted the family honor", and (2) terrorist attacks.

We were talking about the former. I was referring to the former. You are talking about the latter here.

And Jehovah's Witnesses refuse transfusions and they and their kids die.

There you go :-) So you agree that it is not only in the Middle East that traditional values, religion, and ultra conservatist ways of life cost lives. It happens everywhere, including the US.

As a general these days, if you beat your wife and she or someone else complains, you go to jail

Of course. You seem to think this doesn't happen in the Middle East. At least in the parts I know, you are wrong.
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