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Moderated By: TH -- (Moderated) -- Started: 9/23/2004 11:22:02 AM  Revision History The board will follow the guidelines that Russ laid out below. Posters should recognize that the regular board posters believe that a credit bubble exists. Contrary opinions supported by facts are welcome; however, taunting, belittling, or arguing just to argue by bulls (or bears) won’t be tolerated. Political discussion is welcome as long as it pertains to credit bubbles. Partisan political discussions need to be taken elsewhere. The board will discuss aspects of the epic American credit and bond bubble and it's ramifications for investors. Emphasis will be on how to profit from (or at least survive) a bond bear market and/or a credit collapse. Basic entry prerequistes to take this lab: 1. the knowledge that bond prices move inversely to interest rates. 2. an understanding that bonds can lose value if credit conditions deteriorate. Food for thought: "A sound banker, alas, is not one who forsees danger and avoids it, but one who, when he is ruined, is ruined in a conventional and orthodox way along with his fellows, so that no one can really blame him". - John Maynard Keynes "Those who had been riding the upward wave decide now is the time to get out. Those who thought the increase would be forever find their illusion destroyed abruptly, and they, also, respond to the newly revealed reality by selling or trying to sell. And thus the rule, supported by the experience of centuries: the speculative episode always ends not with a whimper but with a bang. -John Kenneth Galbraith writes in his book "A Short History of Financial Euphoria" Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one." Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds, Charles Mackay, - 1841 "I can calculate the motions of heavenly bodies, but not the madness of people." -Issac Newton 1721, after being ruined by the South Sea Bubble "To combat depression by a forced credit expansion is to attempt to cure the evil by the very means which brought it about; because we are suffering from a misdirection or production, we want to create further misdirection- a procedure which can only lead to a much more severe crisis as soon as the credit expansion comes to an end." -Fredrich Hayek, 1933 Once public opinion is convinced that the increase in the quantity of money will continue and never come to an end, and that consequently the prices of all commodities will not cease to rise, everybody becomes eager to buy as much as possible and restrict his cash holdings to minimum size… If the credit expansion is not stopped in time, the boom turns to crack-up boom: the flight into real values begins, and the whole monetary system founders.” -- Ludwig von Mises (1949) "The truth is that liquidity, the only significant weapon remaining in the central bank's arsenal as decision making moves to the markets, will not necessarily go where you want it to go when you need it to go there." --Martin Meyer writes in The Fed ‘Ponzi’ finance units must increase its outstanding debt in order to meet its financial obligations.” A transition occurs over the course of an expansion as increasingly risky positions are validated by the booming economy that renders the built in margins of error superfluous - encouraging adoption of riskier positions. Eventually, either financing costs rise or income comes in below expectations, leading to defaults on payment commitments. --Hyman Minsky "The length and severity of depressions depend partly on the magnitude of the 'real' maladjustments, which developed during the preceding boom and partly on the aggravating monetary and credit conditions." - Gotfried Haberler, Prosperity and Depression, 1937 Lab tools: Glossary of terms common to this site: nowandfutures.com  Terminology important to understanding the impending US-Asian maladjustment Train Wreck: Message 21107936 Economic releases and data (NBER): nber.org  Treasury rates and Agency spreads: rbsgc.com  Bloomberg interest rate quotes: bloomberg.com  Libor and Constant Maturity Treasury yields, used to price "house as ATM card" reset costs on Adjustable Rate Mortgages: interestonlyloans.com  federalreserve.gov  Treasury Dept Auction Announcements and Results: treasurydirect.gov  Paul Kasreil's (Northern Trust) presentation "Inevitable Rebalancing of the US Economy". A must read. northerntrust.com  Tracking the consumer liquidity trap, Steve Church: prudentbear.com  Fed OMO: ny.frb.org  Bank of Japan: www3.boj.or.jp  Daily Treasury Statements: fms.treas.gov  Assets (loan data) and Liabilities of US commercial banks, released Fridays: federalreserve.gov  Fed govt securities bought outright (monetized) and FCB activity: federalreserve.gov  Federal Reserve Economic Data: St. Louis Fed research.stlouisfed.org  Company conference call transcripts: seekingalpha.com  Committment of traders (COT) reports: futuresemail.com  Prudent Bear commentaries; key on Doug Noland's Credit Bubble Bulletin (updated weekends), Marshall Auerback, and Richard Duncan: prudentbear.com  Financial Sense Online (Jim Puplava), some very good weekend interviews and links to other sites: netcastdaily.com  Excellent commentary and graphics from Contrary Investor: contraryinvestor.com  Bank Credit Analyst: bcaresearch.com  Rasmussen Consumer polls: rasmussenreports.com  Ild's charts and graphs: idorfman.com  Russ Winter's, Calculated Risk's, Mish's and Bart13 blog sites, good articles, and links to relevant sites: wallstreetexaminer.com  calculatedrisk.blogspot.com  globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com  nowandfutures.com  Ben Jones housing Bubble Blog: thehousingbubble2.blogspot.com  Mortgage Lender Croak-o-meter :http://br.endernet.org/~akrowne/ml-implode.html Excellent overview of the endgame of fiat richtoscano.com