Copyright © 2013 Knight Sac Media. All rights reserved.http://www.siliconinvestor.com/subject.aspx?subjectid=57143This board is a place to discuss the interaction between political influences and energy supply and potential future development. I'll discourage talk of specific investment ideas, as a thread such as Big Dogs BBR [graphic]Subject 50987 is an existing and excellent place for that. So, for anyone i...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/images/Logo380x132.pnghttp://www.siliconinvestor.com/subject.aspx?subjectid=5714338013210Wharf RatMy kind of young people.. our future leaders To Stop Climate Change, Students Aim at College Portfolios [graphic] Stephen Maturen for The New York Times Students in Minneapolis, seeking steps to cut atmospheric carbon levels to 350 parts per million, known as the safe level. By JUSTIN GILLIS Published: December 4...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289127345/23/2013 11:58:32 PMWharf RatYou should contact your poster maker and tell him or her that 2001 doesn't crack the top 10 list, which is why deniers usually use '98, the third warmest year. 10 warmest years on record ( °C anomaly from 1901–2000 mean)YearGlobal [65]Land [66]Ocean [67]20100.65901.07480.502720050.65231.05050.500719980.63250.93510...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289127065/23/2013 11:42:27 PMteeveeIf I wasn't concerned about the future of the younger generations, I'd be just another winger calling for more carbon in the air. LOL....the only members of the younger generation that ascribe to your bs are dope smoking pot heads like yourself. The rest of them are intelligent enough to know bs when they see it, hea...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289126845/23/2013 11:24:59 PMThomas A WatsonThere are many people who may correctly understand the laws of thermodynamics who have no idea of, or ability to visualize atmospheric dynamics. Black body radiation is not dynamic. Radiant long wave radiation faces far greater resistance to reaching the ground than making it's way into space once the energy is a...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289124895/23/2013 9:08:22 PMWharf RatWe've got your back WeatherBill Inc. has published a study analyzing historical weather data to determine changes and trends in annual Golf Playable Days. The study concludes that U.S. golf playable days are increasing in 95 cities, primarily due to higher average temperatures. The study also identifies increasingl...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289124825/23/2013 9:03:44 PMWharf Rat"The younger generation can see through frauds" Yup; that's why they didn't vote for Willard. http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289124775/23/2013 9:01:03 PMThomas A WatsonSo when you are standing in the sunlight and a cloud passes between you and sun do you still feel like "The vast majority of direct solar radiation from the sun to the earth gets all the way to the ground:" My camera often requires opening one too two fstops to have enough light for the selected shutter speed. The ca...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289124665/23/2013 8:54:35 PMHawkmoon The oceans are the flywheel of the climate system Hmm.. I think of it in more mechanical terms, as a series of gears and inputs... Here's a gear you apparently need to be reminded of, which current AGW modeling has not incorporated into it's analysis (certainly not in understanding the increase in CO2 levels) scie...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289124395/23/2013 8:42:46 PMBrumar89Ten of the Worst Climate Research Papers: 5 Years OnPosted by Cohenite, May 23rd, 2013 - under Opinion. Tags: Climate & Climate Change I consider anthropogenic global warming, AGW, a failed theory, but it still shuffles on like an animated corpse sustained by money, politics and the faithful. The faithful keep ...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289124165/23/2013 8:27:14 PMBrumar891962 Shock News : Open Water At The North Pole Posted on May 23, 2013by stevengoddard [graphic] Seadragon (SSN-584), foreground, and her sister Skate (SSN-578) during a rendezvous at the North Pole in August 1962. Note the men on the ice beyond the submarines. USN photo from The American Submarine, by Norman Polmar...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289124045/23/2013 8:19:43 PMBrumar891970s Global Cooling Scare [graphic] NCAR newsweek_coolingworld.pdf[graphic] National Academy Of Sciences Science News [graphic] The Milwaukee Sentinel – Google News Archive Search Every major climate organization endorsed the ice age scare, including NCAR, CRU, NAS, NASA – as did the CIA. [graphic][graphic]...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289123945/23/2013 8:15:41 PMBrumar891975 : Climatologists Were Worried That Politicians Wouldn’t Let Them Melt The Arctic In Time To Save The Planet Posted on May 23, 2013by stevengoddard [graphic] denisdutton.com/newsweek_coolingworld.pdf stevengoddard.wordpress.com  http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289123885/23/2013 8:11:15 PMFUBHORE: but a close friend of mine, who has four children, said she plans to kill herself and them when it comes to it. Somebody needs to call family services immediately. This is complete insanity.http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289123705/23/2013 7:58:51 PMBrumar89 Warmist Franny Armstrong, on the alleged threat of trace amounts of CO2: "Should we stockpile cyanide? You think I'm exaggerating, but a close friend of mine, who has four children, said she plans to kill herself and them when it comes to it" We've passed 400ppm: now what? | Spanner Films [Franny Armstrong] ....http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289123535/23/2013 7:52:13 PMBrumar89“When you get in your car in summer, your car is hot because it has greenhouse gases in it. That’s why its hot.” – Dr. Laurie Johnson, NRDC Idiot Great moments in activist climate science – NRDC’s Dr. Laurie Johnson: ‘CO2 makes your car hot’ Posted on May 23, 2013 by Anthony Watts [graphic]People send me stuff. Th...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289123425/23/2013 7:47:14 PMponokeeThe younger generation can see through frauds quicker than the doped up hippy generation ever could.http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289123365/23/2013 7:43:22 PMBrumar89The Renewable Energy Reality Check Posted May 23, 2013 Renewable energy is ideologically very attractive. After all, who would not want clean and "free" energy for everyone forever? Such ideological perfection can easily switch off the critical thinking of environmentally conscious individuals and this is exactly w...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289123235/23/2013 7:33:30 PMBrumar89Texas continues to have more than a quarter of the world’s drilling rigs that are hunting oil and gas, according to the latest Baker Hughes Rig Count. Most of the Texas rigs are working in five major fields across the state. There are 399 rigs in the Permian Basin in West Texas, 232 rigs in the Eagle Ford Shale in So...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289123075/23/2013 7:25:19 PMBrumar89http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289123055/23/2013 7:24:07 PMgolfer72I stop over here every now and then just to see whats happening. I see you GW fools are still at it LOLhttp://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289123015/23/2013 7:22:48 PMWharf Rat"AGW is this generations' Mein Kampf " No; AGW is an experiment we are conducting to further validate a 19th century physics theory. http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289122865/23/2013 7:14:41 PMWharf RatYou have trouble with lots of things besides history; like math and science and geography.http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289122715/23/2013 7:04:24 PMSdglaThere is no balance in any chaotic system. How is it that you are unable to accept that ?http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289122665/23/2013 7:00:42 PMWharf RatWe upset the balance. Eventually, higher CO2 and temperatures will achieve a new one, with a different climate.... But the fact that CO2 levels have remained steady until very recently shows that natural emissions are usually balanced by natural absorptions. Now slightly more CO2 must be entering the atmosphere than i...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289122625/23/2013 6:58:06 PMBrumar89http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289122615/23/2013 6:57:38 PMWharf RatIf I wasn't concerned about the future of the younger generations, I'd be just another winger calling for more carbon in the air. http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289122435/23/2013 6:48:18 PMSdglahttp://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289122275/23/2013 6:39:48 PMWharf Rat"records were wiped out when the record keepers were wiped out in the bad weather." Hence, the use of natural records, like ice cores. Scientists Drill Back 3.6 Million Years in Siberian Lakehttp://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289122155/23/2013 6:30:31 PMponokeeI'm not a believer wharfy and you're not very convincing. But don't worry about me be concerned about all the kids out there with better instincts who think AGW and Al Gore is a scam. It's not cool to make people afraid so go back to your bong and invent some better lies.http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289122055/23/2013 6:24:03 PMWharf RatHaving trouble getting yer "mind" around the concept that the ocean is a 3 dimensional heat sink? The oceans are the flywheel of the climate system. As atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases increase, the Earth system is warming, and over 90 percent of that increase in heat goes into the ocean. Knowing how muc...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289122035/23/2013 6:22:08 PMEricThe vast majority of direct solar radiation from the sun to the earth gets all the way to the ground: Direct sunlight has a luminous efficacy of about 93 lumens per watt of radiant flux. Bright sunlight provides illuminance of approximately 100,000 lux or lumens per square meter at the Earth's surface. The total ...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289121605/23/2013 5:54:40 PMBrumar89LOL you denialists are something else. Why not just say it only warmed during the HCO in the arctic or the deep sea or something? Kinda like where the heat is supposed to be hiding today.http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289121425/23/2013 5:40:49 PMWharf RatHO was not a global phenomenon; only in summer and only in the extratropics of the Northern Hemisphere.http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289121235/23/2013 5:28:08 PMEricWharf Rat One day a number of years ago I got into a discussion of how the atmosphere transfers energy to create weather on the planet. I described how one day many years ago I had taken off from an airport near Seattle (airport elevation 16 feet MSL) in my Cessna and the outside air temp close to the ground was abou...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289121045/23/2013 5:19:07 PMSdglaWhat it says is records were wiped out when the record keepers were wiped out in the bad weather. Why not pick a different time frame ? I'm sure there are hieroglyphics on a cave showing a global environment in complete harmony.http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289121005/23/2013 5:16:16 PMWharf Rat"Even if AGW was true it would not be a USA problem to solve " This is true. It's mankind's problem to solve. Most countries are working on it, and many US states are, too. The US denial industry has prevented us from doing anything on a national scale. "Just remember what you call science is actually a religion. ...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289120995/23/2013 5:15:41 PMBrumar89http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289120935/23/2013 5:09:44 PMThomas A WatsonOriginal thoughts are not allowed in any wingnutium. Is that an original thought? nahhh.... just common sense.http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289120915/23/2013 5:07:41 PMteevee tipping the climate balance ??? Hogwash. The phrase is loaded.......with the kind of crap you love to serve up expecting everyone to believe instead of question and quickly laugh at......but then again, I doubt you have an original thought in your head........AGW is this generations' Mein Kampf and you are an all to...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289120855/23/2013 5:04:37 PMBrumar89Heh, you have a point there. Maybe they just put up fake plywood or paper mache windmills to fool western liberals.http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289120825/23/2013 5:03:22 PMWharf Rathttp://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289120575/23/2013 4:50:35 PMSdglahttp://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289120445/23/2013 4:39:45 PMWharf Rat"tell when our climate was in equilibrium ?" Before we changed it with CO2. Late 19th century. Reconstruction of Regional and Global Temperature for the Past 11,300 Years”http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289120045/23/2013 4:22:42 PMponokeeI found everything I needed to know about make believe AGW was included in this book. amazon.com  And Mr. Delingpole has a great blog here via the Telegraph newspaper. blogs.telegraph.co.uk  [graphic]http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289119525/23/2013 4:00:02 PMThomas A WatsonLong ago I posted a link to climatedebatedaily.com  where a running list of pro and con global warming articles are listed. From that page one also finds the link to . joannenova.com.au  joannenova.com.au/ And their you can find the Skeptics guide. jonova.s3.amazonaws.com  I highly recommend downloading and readin...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289119325/23/2013 3:46:49 PMThomas A WatsonWell then your latest post must be fifth time your reply proves with certainty you are a wingnut. You simply do not have the mental capability to argue or refute with any explanation of science principles that supports your analysis or emotion based proffer of CO2 driven global warming.http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289118895/23/2013 3:33:23 PMThomas A WatsonThe winds that supposedly identify the hot spot that you cannot measure with thermometers are listed as easterlies and westerlies. Read your own article. So a hot spot proffered as detected by some change in easterly and westerly winds still has the problem of radiating long wave radiation back to earth where it ...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289118695/23/2013 3:26:23 PMSdglaEventually, it will be in equilibrium againOh please tell when our climate was in equilibrium ?http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289117865/23/2013 3:00:00 PMponokeehttp://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289117155/23/2013 2:38:36 PMponokeeEven if AGW was true it would not be a USA problem to solve or to wear the collective guilt for. Happily for us AGW is a scare tactic invented to grossly enrich Al Gore et al. Put on a hair shirt if it makes you happy, under the constitution you have the right to pursue your own happiness. Just remember what you...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289116495/23/2013 2:19:05 PM