Copyright © 2013 Knight Sac Media. All rights reserved.http://www.siliconinvestor.com/subject.aspx?subjectid=56774The electric car has been a dream and now close to a reality. This thread is dedicated to discussion of the electric car, stocks of interest , oil, auto's in general and what we are doing to promote a new way to get here from there.http://www.siliconinvestor.com/images/Logo380x132.pnghttp://www.siliconinvestor.com/subject.aspx?subjectid=5677438013210gg coxhttp://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289114775/23/2013 1:16:39 PMRoad WalkerNope... You know all I know. If it can scale that Harvard thing is a waste of her time.http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289110975/23/2013 11:01:46 AMpeter michaelsonhttp://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289110535/23/2013 10:49:07 AMRoad WalkerHmm, off topic a bit but if it can scale.... ===== Recharge your cellphone in 30 seconds (CNN) -- A tiny device that can recharge cell phone batteries in as little as 30 seconds won 18-year-old Eesha Khare a major science award that will help fund her college education at Harvard University. Khare traveled from her...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289110335/23/2013 10:42:03 AMEricTesla Repaying Loan for ‘Losers’ Gives Obama Green Win [graphic] Tesla Motors Inc. (TSLA), labeled a “loser” by Mitt Romney during the U.S. election, is giving President Barack Obama’s green-energy strategy its biggest win after almost two years of failures pounced upon by Republicans. The maker of the electric Mode...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289099605/22/2013 6:31:00 PMJohn VosillaPushing Past the Prius Toward an All-Electric Car All four wheels have to stay on the ground at any one time.” It is the only instruction Kevin Layden has for me as I get ready to take his new electric car for a spin just outside of Detroit. Layden is a 26-year veteran of Ford Motor Co. who, after spending tim...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=288998835/17/2013 9:31:12 AMGlenn PetersenTesla’s market value soars, but some see a bubble By Steven Mufson, The Washington Post Updated: Thursday, May 16, 7:45 PM Tesla Motors is on a remarkable run for a company that not long ago seemed to be sputtering. The luxury electric-car maker’s flagship sedan, the Model S, won Motor Trend’s 2013 car of the...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=288993815/16/2013 9:30:29 PMRoad Walkerhttp://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=288963675/15/2013 3:13:07 PMEricTesla’s Straubel Keeps Motors Rolling as Stock Surges 57% Elon Musk was fresh off the sale of PayPal and starting another business, commercial rocket service Space Exploration Technologies Corp., when he met kindred spirit JB Straubel. Their shared belief that consumer electronics advances could be applied to more ...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=288941975/14/2013 5:27:47 PMGlenn PetersenTesla’s Supercharged Week Walter Russell Mead The American Interest May 9, 2013 It’s been a good week for Tesla, the electric car company. Yesterday it reported its first quarterly profit in its ten-year history. Today, Consumer Reports announced that the Tesla Model S was the highest-scoring car… ever. Business ...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=288862415/10/2013 6:41:27 AMEricTesla Model S review An electric sports car earns our top test score Consumer Reports magazine: July 2013 Slipping behind the wheel of the Tesla Model S is like crossing into a promising zero-emissions future. This electric luxury sports car, built by a small automaker based in Palo Alto, Calif., is brimming with ...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=288842915/9/2013 10:48:34 AMEricTesla Surges After Posting Profit; Value Exceeds Fiat’s Tesla Motors Inc. (TSLA), the maker of electric cars run by billionaire Elon Musk, surged as much as 26 percent after posting its first profit and beating estimates on sales of luxury Model S sedans. Tesla gained 24 percent to $69.03 at 10:03 a.m. New York ...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=288842245/9/2013 10:24:39 AMJohn VosillaToyota’s 2013 RAV4 EV is the automaker’s second go round of converting its small gasoline powered sport utility to an electric vehicle. From 1997 to 2003, 1,484 RAV4 EVs were leased or sold. Of those, Toyota says approximately 449 are still on the road. This time, rather than develop the electric RAV4 on its own, Toyo...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=288813555/7/2013 10:28:56 PMEricElectric Cars Rally on Connecticut’s Back Roads By JIM MOTAVALLI [graphic] Miggs Burroughs Gordon Joseloff, left, the first selectman of Westport, and Leo Cirino, the president of the Westport Electric Car Club, with the BMW ActiveE that won the club’s EV Road Rally on Saturday. WESTPORT, Conn. — “What a day, spa...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=288675244/30/2013 7:36:47 PMGlenn PetersenIn Two-Way Charging, Electric Cars Begin to Earn Money From the Grid By MATTHEW L. WALD New York Times April 25, 2013 WASHINGTON — Finally, payback for the plug-in. A line of Mini Coopers, each attached to the regional power grid by a thick cable plugged in where a gasoline filler pipe used to be, no longer just...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=288595794/25/2013 10:57:45 PMRoad WalkerOT I guess- Russia Skips Hybrids in Push for Cars Using Natural Gas By ANDREW E. KRAMER MOSCOW — Igor A. Samarsky of the southern Russian city of Krasnodar gets fuel economy on his 1998 Lada sedan that would make a Prius owner green with environmental envy. For all of 120 rubles — about $3.80, or a little more th...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=288341284/14/2013 10:08:04 AMJohn VosillaUnderstanding the Life of Lithium Ion Batteries in Electric Vehicles Apr. 10, 2013 — Scientists today answered a question that worries millions of owners and potential owners of electric and hybrid vehicles using lithium-ion batteries: How long before the battery pack dies, leaving a sticker-shock bill for a fresh pac...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=288270114/10/2013 4:22:11 PMRoad WalkerThat is great if Solar can cost the same as other forms of energy, it could hasten its implementation. Don't think Solar has reached parity in the USA yet, has it? Also, what do we do for power when the sun doesn't shine or it is a cloudy day? I don't know about parity in the US, there are so many subsidies to each ...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=288254744/10/2013 4:32:45 AMRoad WalkerWhich problem is one trying to solve? CO2 emissions or imported oil? I was responding to your post so in this string CO2. http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=288254714/10/2013 4:21:52 AMhubris33That is great if Solar can cost the same as other forms of energy, it could hasten its implementation. Don't think Solar has reached parity in the USA yet, has it? Also, what do we do for power when the sun doesn't shine or it is a cloudy day?http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=288252684/9/2013 11:08:51 PMhubris33http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=288252664/9/2013 11:04:15 PMRoad WalkerSolar achieves grid parity Deutsche Bank has released a report concluding that the cost of unsubsidized solar power is about the same as the cost of electricity from the grid in India and Italy, and that by 2014 even more countries will achieve solar “ grid parity,” reports Currents in Commerce. During 2013, China ...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=288229614/8/2013 6:17:02 PMbrokenst0nesFederal tax credit is going to remain for a good while yet. On the Prius guess you mean the Plug-In model, yes it has very small battery range plus it works differently too in that it operates below a certain speed before the ICE kicks in, unlike some others which either have a similar setup but operate at a higher sp...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=288213634/7/2013 8:00:11 PMEdward BoghosianCorrect me on this. Is the range of the Prius on battery alone only between 6-11 miles before it has to be recharged? I was looking at the Volt and checking out the federal credit of max. of $7,500 and it depends on the number of Volts sold since the sale of Volt cars and there is a time period. I'm not sure but it...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=288213134/7/2013 7:21:31 PMRoad WalkerThe point I was trying to make is that electric cars are not a panacea in themselves. Yes, but... ICE cars don't off any path to a solution. Electric or ICE are the only viable options, and there are incremental upstream improvements that can be made with electric. Unless we want to give up personal transportatio...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=288211354/7/2013 4:40:21 PMhubris33Sure spots of the country DO have higher percentages of renewable power in their local grid mix. But over all and on average that isn't the case. The state of Washington[1] appears to be a special case with its ~70% hydropower base. {environmentally some might argue the deleterious effects of damning rivers, impedi...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=288132294/3/2013 10:02:08 AMEricHi, It depends where you live to get those max environmental benefits. Here in the NW over 90% of our electricity is generated with renewables. And that percentage increases every year that we continue to add windpower capacity here. I've noticed more Tesla owners installing their own PV arrays and enjoying the adv...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=288097434/1/2013 12:25:58 PMUPTICKhttp://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=288039093/28/2013 10:00:08 AMhubris33Eric - excellent summary of the EV space! Where I would subtly disagree with conclusions is the area of general environmental benefit of the EVs. True, EVs eliminate tailpipe emissions, but they shift the CO2 emissions to power plants and net-net have at best a small benefit to the environment. Of course fix the mix...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=287935343/22/2013 11:55:09 AMGlenn PetersenFisker Sales Talks Fall Apart Chinese Bidders for Luxury Hybrid Car Maker Disagree Over Government Loan By YULIYA CHERNOVA and SHARON TERLEP Bloomberg March 18, 2013, 7:25 p.m. ET Chinese auto makers have pulled back from talks to buy Fisker Automotive Inc. over a disagreement on whether to revive a loan agreeme...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=287863823/19/2013 12:40:55 AMEricCar Answers / EV Facts [graphic] Electric vehicles your thing? Good, this is a page for electric vehicle car answers and facts of various sorts. If you’ve got something to add, drop a note in the comments below! This page will be continually updated. UPDATE (JANUARY 29, 2013): We’ve created a spreadsheet for crow...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=287841173/17/2013 10:52:28 PMJohn VosillaHigh-MPG Gas Cars Regain Value Edge Over Hybrids Published: Friday, 4 Jan 2013 | 8:01 PM ET By: Aaron Couch [graphic] Source: chevrolet.com Chevrolet Sonic As gas prices fluctuate between $3 and $4, car buyers continue to seek relief at the pump by focusing on cars with high fuel-efficiency. But unlike in recent...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=287427122/23/2013 2:55:10 PMEdward Boghosianhttp://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=287426992/23/2013 2:41:53 PMJohn VosillaEncourage everyone to go for a high MPG vehicle next purchase be it base hybrid, plug in hybrid , EV or ICE. The selections have grown by leaps and bounds now across all vehicle types from just three years ago. This will change the world by the end of the decade, help our economy boom, end wasteful wars for oil an...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=287426862/23/2013 2:29:50 PMJohn KoligmanTesla Motors 4th-Quarter Loss Widens Despite Higher Revenue By Anna Prior Tesla Motors Inc.'s (TSLA) fourth-quarter loss widened as higher costs at the electric-car maker masked a surge in revenue. Tesla began deliveries of its all-electric Model S sedan in June, a month ahead of schedule. But the compa...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=287398552/21/2013 9:02:45 PMEdward BoghosianAlso, what people may not realize that they have to check to make sure they can get the maximum writeoff, i.e., $7500. The Volt websight states from 0 to $7500. So, going and buying a Volt does not guarantee the $7,500.http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=287397952/21/2013 8:19:40 PMJohn VosillaPlug in hybrid should go up to 12 miles on EV when fully charged but the software attempts to optimize your overall mpg and extend battery life given the constraints with several factors like speed, your driving habits and weather conditions part of the equation. Of course once you flip to ICE the battery quickly rech...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=287384732/21/2013 11:34:30 AMGlenn PetersenElon Musk (@elonmusk) has tweeted his approval for the following article: Appreciate thoughtful @Sulliview article. Faith in @nytimes restored. Problems With Precision and Judgment, but Not Integrity, in Tesla Test By MARGARET SULLIVAN New York Times February 18, 2013, 12:10 pm As promised, I’ve spent the past ...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=287333002/18/2013 8:00:39 PMGlenn Petersenhttp://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=287332812/18/2013 7:52:33 PMEdward BoghosianIf I wanted to use only battery power to drive the Prius, I can only go 12 miles before it has to be charged without using gasoline?http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=287332652/18/2013 7:42:07 PMJohn VosillaMost will opt for hybrids and plug in hybrids till the infrastructure catches up. Yep it was great to have a car cell phone in 1969 but it took nearly 30 more years for that cell phone to begin replacing the landline... I have a regular Prius for nine months now. No worries at all already over 20k miles under many...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=287300722/16/2013 11:43:11 AMGlenn PetersenGreen car startup Fisker aims to secure foreign partner in weeks By Deepa Seetharaman and Paul Lienert DETROIT | Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:43pm EST DETROIT (Reuters) - Fisker Automotive has received serious offers from at least three overseas automakers willing to invest in and partner with the cash-strapped U.S. hybrid...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=287296802/16/2013 12:55:35 AMlarryjoeJust wondering out loud here, 1. I can see those charging cords being stolen easily, especially in a big US city. 2. If some bystander, crook,etc., were to get shocked by a frayed cord, I could see the lawsuits. Not to mention some car plowing into a charging station and causing electrical havoc.http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=287258202/14/2013 12:30:32 PMJohn KoligmanPlugging In, Dutch Put Electric Cars to the Test [graphic] Ilvy Njiokiktjien for The New York Times "There’s still some planning; it’s a bit like a puzzle. It’s not the same ease of mind as with a gas car," said Maarten Noom in Amsterdam, who drives an electric vehicle. By ELISABETH ROSENTHAL Publis...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=287257192/14/2013 11:58:52 AMEricThe Chevy Volt can go further on the energy sunk into producing a gallon of oil sands based gasoline than it can on the gasoline! The oil sands’ surprising new nemesis: The Chevy Volt By Mark Brooks Commercial Pilot and Flight Instructor My first look at the Oil sands was in 1976 when I was still in high school...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=287246632/13/2013 9:34:05 PMpeter michaelsonWe love our Leaf but would never take it more than 20 miles from home. Not until/unless there's a breakthrough with battery technology.http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=287245592/13/2013 8:15:56 PMdeenoFirst I beleive the columnist. I dont think he had an agenda. The fact that he did have some trouble and anxiety certianly would be a bonus to his article, but I saw nothing devious in it. I think it likely that electric car owners will need to change some of their habits, for that fun of passing by gas stations and ho...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=287234012/13/2013 11:43:00 AMJohn KoligmanThere were some interesting comments made by the NY Times reporter in regard to the car though. Spend a half hour in the morning 'conditioning' the battery to restore lost energy??? And the first time some rich guy's wife starts freezing her Manolo's off because their 100k car kills the heater to save battery power...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=287220892/12/2013 6:52:09 PMdeenoYep Getting in a media war WITH the media is a losing proposition (somthing about pigs liking the mud?). Just giving this guy more air time and something to write about. Bet the times is tickled. Hand it over to the PR department and let it die. I did sell a bunch a few weeks ago, maybe it will bring another opportun...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=287219832/12/2013 6:09:46 PMJohn KoligmanAnd more mud. The Times has responded to Musk: The Charges Are Flying Over a Test of Tesla’s Charging Network Text Size Published: Tuesday, 12 Feb 2013 | 3:37 PM ET By: John Broder [graphic] The account in Sunday's Automobiles section of The Times detailing my troubled East Coast ...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=287219472/12/2013 5:54:34 PM