Copyright © 2013 Knight Sac Media. All rights reserved.http://www.siliconinvestor.com/subject.aspx?subjectid=55439"The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen." Note: Subject actually started by Lazarus Long. Would the US be better off with a national single payer (other) health system? Or should the current system be left alone or even pushed more towards getting the gov’t out? ===================...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/images/Logo380x132.pnghttp://www.siliconinvestor.com/subject.aspx?subjectid=5543938013210i-nodeI think most hospital IT departments are more coordinated in their efforts. For example, Sisters of Mercy spent a half billion dollars on their system, which is fairly comprehensive. So, the systems for managing the outpatient GI lab shares the database with the Emergency Department, which both share data with the in...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289128635/24/2013 3:05:31 AMLibbytEMR system Agree with all of your thoughts. A local hospital currently has an EMR system that was 1st established in the ER, then Labor and Delivery, and then the hospital. Basically 3 different systems, from 3 different vendors, and the systems can't communicate with each other. Obviously one system needs to be ...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289128495/24/2013 2:36:35 AMi-node>> Replacing common sense and human judgment with protocols and algorithms is often deadening -- and sometimes deadly. That's the bottom line. I think there are numerous concerns, but as we've previously discussed, when the focus is on filling out all the correct fields on the screen (or responding to the built-in "...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289127325/23/2013 11:55:05 PMskinowskiThe REAL question is, "What has EMR given us? Better health care? Less expensive health care? Printouts of immunization records?" The answers are: No. No. Yes. In some ways it's nice. No one writes anymore orders to bring up "old charts" - you bring them up on the computer, and print out what you need. But that wil...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289126995/23/2013 11:36:57 PMJ_F_Shepard90% of those responding to that poll have no friggin idea what they're opining about......you included.http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289126245/23/2013 10:19:28 PMi-node>> FM: I hear about a lot of small things like, for the first time, they handed me a print out of my visit or gave me online access to my kids immunization records. Someone else noticed in the past three years all their prescriptions get sent to the drug store electronically. While the benefits of eRx are substantial...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289123475/23/2013 7:49:08 PMFUBHOGiant octopus: IRS has 8 offices to enforce Obamacare May 21, 2013 | 6:01 pm washingtonexaminer.com  The Internal Revenue Service, charged with implementing the biggest change in tax laws in 20 years due to Obamacare, has created eight offices and special "teams" to handle the chore, way more than initially revea...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289121575/23/2013 5:51:46 PMFUBHOPOLL: Majority Want to Return to Pre-Obamacare System... Employers Offer 'Skinny' Coverage to Side-Step Fines... Won't Cover Surgery, Hospital Stays, Prenatal Care...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289115235/23/2013 1:33:27 PMAlastair McIntoshThe United States hit a health care milestone Wednesday: Most doctors now use electronic health care records. The new data, released by the Department of Health and Human Services, shows that more than 50 percent of doctors and 80 percent of hospitals have received enhanced federal funding for achieving “meaningful...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289115135/23/2013 1:31:02 PMBrumar89http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289113315/23/2013 12:12:55 PMi-node>> A Fox News poll released Wednesday finds that while 26 percent of voters say their health care situation will be better under the new law I really don't know how anyone could make that determination at this point. It is just too big of a mess.http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289113125/23/2013 12:05:22 PMskinowskiThey'll end up making healthcare so complex that before long we'll be having million men marches on Washington, demanding a complete socialist takeover. I believe that politicians and bureaucrats may be totally unaware that this is what they are trying to accomplish. They don't have to be aware - they're just followi...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289111545/23/2013 11:19:28 AMBrumar89Majority says families will be worse off under Obamacare Majorities of American voters say their family will be worse off under the Affordable Care Act, and think it would be better to go back to the pre-ObamaCare health care system. A Fox News poll released Wednesday finds that while 26 percent of voters say t...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289110875/23/2013 10:58:06 AMBrumar89Insurers feel pressure from health group with ties to White House By Sam Baker - 05/23/13 05:00 AM ET The links between a nonprofit promoting President Obama’s healthcare law and the White House have created an “air of expectation” that insurers will contribute to the gro...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289109395/23/2013 10:07:34 AMskinowskiI would like to take a moment to compliment - and to thank - all of the participants for showing that it is indeed possible to have a thoughtful and respectful discussion among people with different - and even sharply different - ideologies (aka, views on things). And - please notice - presently, not a single SI membe...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289099755/22/2013 6:51:01 PMlongnshortlooks like the new head of Obamacare will run it from behind bars. [youtube video]http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289098355/22/2013 5:07:57 PMlongnshorthttp://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289097235/22/2013 4:21:07 PMLane3with the growing cancer of "Right to Work" legislation I'm not one to go around calling this or that right or wrong. I'm more into "not constructive" or "fraught with problems" and the like. I tend to find very few things just flat out wrong. I've posted on this thread more than once my objection to Medicare deny...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289094615/22/2013 2:52:12 PMJoe Btfsplkgrowing cancer of "Right to Work" legislation creeping through the U.S. and trying to infect Canada The malignancies inherent in that too common misconception would require more time and perhaps talent than I'll devote here. But a couple quick and dirties might lead to the beginnings of understanding. The way store s...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289093675/22/2013 2:12:43 PMlongnshortThe Obama crony in charge of your medical records[graphic] By Michelle Malkin • May 22, 2013 06:43 AM [graphic] The Obama crony in charge of your medical records by Michelle Malkin Creators Syndicate Copyright 2013 Who is Judy Faulkner? Chances are, you don’t know her — but her politically connected, taxpayer-subs...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289089845/22/2013 11:19:40 AMlongnshort Matt Drudge Ties IRS Scandal To Obamacare, Foreshadows ‘Brave New President’ After ‘American Holocaust’ .... ................................................................ by Meenal Vamburkar | 10:39 am, May 13th, 2013 mediaite.com[graphic] [graphic] Amid the controversy over Uncle Sam singling out political...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289089465/22/2013 11:07:22 AMgg coxAll unions, have more to worry about than ObamaCare. We all have to worry about a race to the bottom, controlled by modern day Robber Barons,and governing elitists, with the growing cancer of "Right to Work" legislation creeping through the U.S. and trying to infect Canada. en.wikipedia.org  See 4 points under Stud...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289089385/22/2013 11:05:57 AMLane3It had never before occurred to me that the unions, which I don't like, are finding themselves in competition with the welfare state, which I don't like, for delivering bennies. Hard to pick a favorite here. http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289087595/22/2013 10:10:41 AMBrumar89a law intended to expand coverage will to some extent do exactly the opposite. Just like every liberal policy ... it fails to achieve it's positive goal and actually makes things worse.http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289086915/22/2013 9:51:09 AMBrumar89Three Labor Unions, Including Teamsters, Want ObamaCare Repealed Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matt-vespa/2013/05/21/three-labor-unions-including-teamsters-want-obamacare-repealed-when-will#ixzz2U1NfecQShttp://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289086645/22/2013 9:36:50 AMFUBHOCommunity organizing, Obamacare style by Paul Mirengoff A subcommittee of the House Committee on Oversight & Government Reform held a hearing today on the government’s Obamacare “outreach” program. Obamacare authorizes the government to provide information to the uninsured, and to assist them in obtaining ...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289083385/22/2013 12:50:10 AMTimFHealth Care and Prices May 17, 2013, 12:00 pm Kevin Drum is lauding the transparency an Oregon health insurance exchange which was initiated some apparently welcome price competition into a market for now standardized products. My response was this: I applaud any effort by this Administration and others to impr...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289082635/21/2013 11:23:30 PMponokeeIf you stop and think about it, young people are already being required to pay for SS and Medicare for their parents' generation. And now we're telling them, "Oh, you have to pay for ALL sick peoples' excesses." That's quite a burden for current & future generations to bear.Jefferson warned against doing that. N...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289080835/21/2013 9:43:13 PMskinowskiIntergenerational wealth transfer schemes like SS (and Medicare as we know it) are built on an assumption that things will continue the same way forever; that the great number of variables - the economy, demographics, etc. - can always be controlled. Since this is impossible, we can be certain that eventually there wi...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289077745/21/2013 6:45:03 PMi-node>> Long story short, I'm quite certain that if things were the way they are today, we would have elected not to buy insurance. If you stop and think about it, young people are already being required to pay for SS and Medicare for their parents' generation. And now we're telling them, "Oh, you have to pay for ALL sick...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289075275/21/2013 4:31:46 PMBlasher"changing your oil" is NOT covered by car insurance . . . great! point . . thanks.http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289075105/21/2013 4:23:29 PMFUBHOhttp://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289074605/21/2013 4:04:05 PMlongnshort"How is birth control a matter of "insurance"? It's a matter of... well, lets call it - part of the cost of living for those who use it." it's like changing your oil is covered by car insurancehttp://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289073765/21/2013 3:21:47 PMskinowskiMany years ago, my wife and I were young and healthy, and didn't have much money (which, back then, didn't bother us very much -g). Over a period of several years we used to purchase the least expensive hospitalization insurance we could find - and take our chances with physician fees and all the other "major medical...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289066885/21/2013 11:48:05 AMFUBHOHOLTZ-EAKIN: Sharp shoppers scuttle Obamacare The young drop coverage to avoid higher premiums Read more: washingtontimes.com  By Douglas Holtz-Eakin Monday, May 20, 2013 The political travails of the Affordable Care Act — aka Obamacare — continue, as witnessed by the furor surrounding Health and Human Services Se...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289050055/20/2013 2:16:01 PMAlastair McIntoshLooks like Death Panels have been around for over 50 years. Here's a "LIFE" article from 1962: books.google.com  Article begins on page 102.http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289048915/20/2013 1:33:30 PMlongnshorthttp://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289048375/20/2013 1:06:38 PMFUBHOHas the IRS Already Seized Your Medical Records? from The American Spectator by David Catron As gratifying as it was to see the “news” media actually do its job last week when the IRS scandal broke, it was also odd that the coverage focused exclusively on abuses of power relating to various Tea Party and anti-abortion...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289048265/20/2013 1:03:19 PMBrian SullivanAnd the train wreck rolls on... Employers Eye Bare-Bones Health Plans Under New Law By CHRISTOPHER WEAVER and ANNA WILDE MATHEWS Employers are increasingly recognizing they may be able to avoid certain penalties under the federal health law by offering very limited plans that can lack key benefits such as hospi...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289047705/20/2013 12:44:41 PMlongnshortthere's a new reality we don't have a free press now, we have a government press. Justice Dept Spied on Fox News' James Rosen, Now Left goes after ABC's Jonathan Karlriehl8 220 you think the MSM will go after this tyrant ?http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289045295/20/2013 11:20:23 AMLane3http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289045185/20/2013 11:17:46 AMlongnshort"They are as vulnerable to reality as any other administration." wrong they are protected by the media like no other admin has been. Most people have never heard of benghazi why is that ? because abc,nbc,cbs,npr have never reported on it. the MSM in now th Government media and we have seen in other places what happ...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289044635/20/2013 11:01:23 AMLane3I just don't put anything past this Administration . . . You give them too much credit. They are as vulnerable to reality as any other administration. There are inherent limits to how much they can accomplish either over or under the table and also limits on the reliability of intended secrecy. Concurrently, there ...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289043325/20/2013 10:11:53 AMBlashernice reply . . thanks. . . I just don't put anything past this Administration . . . they've showed me too much already.http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289042405/20/2013 9:23:00 AMi-node>> It has been ruled Constitutional. That does not mean the same thing as actually being Constitutional. ObamaCare is UnConstitutional. If the Supreme Court determines it is constitutional, it is, de facto, constitutional, until such time as the Court visits it again. Which could happen. If not on the point we wer...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289038795/19/2013 9:09:36 PMgreatplains_guyIt has been ruled Constitutional. That does not mean the same thing as actually being Constitutional. ObamaCare is UnConstitutional.http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289037795/19/2013 7:57:26 PMponokeeYou can kill someone with a gun without witnesses and throw the gun in the ocean. Way too many cameras these days and tea party types tend to travel in groups. A doctor has a lot to lose and would cover his trail better than a hired thug with a gun. Although Obama could borrow someone from special ops. It worked...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289037485/19/2013 7:39:10 PMLane3Guns are messy and leave an obvious trail. Dunno about that. Less messy and obvious than calling doctors and twisting their arms re treatment. You can kill someone with a gun without witnesses and throw the gun in the ocean. And you can save yourself the research to find out about the Tea Partier's medical vulnerab...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289036995/19/2013 7:06:26 PMponokeeIf you just want to reduce numbers of a political opponent, it would be a whole lot easier to just murder them in a conventional way. Guns work well for that purpose.Guns are messy and leave an obvious trail. In a perfect world doctors are independent agents and not agents of the state. I would prefer to go to an ...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289036825/19/2013 6:58:44 PMLane3IRS denial to Tea Partiers might be a stretch but there are other ways political prescription or treatment might occur. Sure. Which is why it makes no sense and is counterproductive to make, er, extra-reality assertions. If one is going to surface potential risks, pick at least marginally realistic ones. The doct...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289036585/19/2013 6:47:51 PM