Copyright © 2013 Knight Sac Media. All rights reserved.http://www.siliconinvestor.com/subject.aspx?subjectid=21245[graphic] Robin Williams on Golf (Rated R for language) - golfe.de  The SI Majors Cup 2013 Masters - Dacoola -24 2012 PGA - Smooth Sail -20 2012 British Open - Up & Down -12 2012 US Open - Untilzen +17 2012 Masters - FUBHO -33 2011 PGA - Steve Harris -11 2011 British Open - FUBHO +12 2011 US ...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/images/Logo380x132.pnghttp://www.siliconinvestor.com/subject.aspx?subjectid=2124538013210LindyBillMickelson, Stricker not among Memorial field from Golf Channel - News Archive by Will Gray Both having been mainstays at Muirfield Village the past few years, both Phil Mickelson and Steve Stricker will not be at the Memorial Tournament next week.http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289146985/24/2013 9:57:14 PMSr KHe's a Miami Heat fan. Latest Tweet was Wednesday cheering the Heat. He'll probably play The Memorial, which which ends 6/2. The Finals start June 6. NBA App Heat, Pacers say Game 2 should be even betterLosing a game at the final buzzer, no less than a playoff game on the road against the reigning NBA champion Mia...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289143725/24/2013 5:13:47 PMFUBHODid Dustin Johnson quit golf to spend all his time with that vixen? You never see him at events any more. He is whipped.http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289143025/24/2013 4:39:27 PMEnigmaI really mean they are truer. Another thing is that they play on better courses now. I have heard that private clubs were reluctant to open up their course to run of the mill tournaments. Different for majors of course and the big events. I may be wrong. On a different topic there's a fierce debate on the BBC Sp...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289135475/24/2013 11:59:27 AMRoad WalkerBut the greens are better now - lots of plusses and minuses They're faster and probably more true, but are they easier? I suspect slower is easier if you are used to it. http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289131855/24/2013 9:45:00 AMBillIt probably is tougher mentally now with all those distractions. But unlike the old days, nobody on tour is starving. The prize money goes deep and everyone has guaranteed money through sponsorships.http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289131515/24/2013 9:29:38 AMClark KentI don't know but do you think the average or above average tour player is under a lot more pressure now? With TV cameras in your face, potential endorsement deals on the line, more distracting fans at each hole....would any of this cause an overall tougher playing environment?http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289130295/24/2013 8:29:29 AMBillhttp://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289129005/24/2013 6:11:55 AMEnigmahttp://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289126665/23/2013 11:08:08 PMEnigmahttp://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289126635/23/2013 11:06:04 PMgolfer72The scoring ave is similar but the courses are much tougher now. Many have been redesigned and lengthened.http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289125315/23/2013 9:25:41 PMgolfer72http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289125215/23/2013 9:23:07 PMgolfer72http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289125125/23/2013 9:18:45 PMRoad WalkerHogan was hitting a 1 iron in the famous picture of him winning at Merion. I used to have that photo in the header of this thread. Let me know if you want it back, or any other golf photo. I'm here to serve, not moderate. http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289119875/23/2013 4:14:36 PMSirWalterRaleghJohn Daly used to carry a 0 iron. At the US Open at Baltusrol he was the first player ever to reach a 600+ yard hole. Second shot was 300 yards and he used either the 0 or the 1 iron.http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289114485/23/2013 1:07:38 PMdacoolaWe were lucky...I watched Hogan hitting a 1 iron at Olympic Club. The caddy hardly ever moved and was flagging down the balls on one hop. I have never heard such a pure sound again. With the advent of hybrids, you hardly ever see a 1 iron anymore. Hogan and Nelson were fabulous with that club. Hogan was hitting a 1 ir...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289114025/23/2013 12:47:46 PMEnigmaI agree - it's the common myth in all sports when it comes to today vs the past - people seem to think that because golfers smoked in the past that they couldn't have been so good! I remember seeing Hogan practicing at Wentworth with a 2 iron - his fore caddy would only have to walk a couple of feet to pick up his bal...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289110055/23/2013 10:31:53 AMJim McMannisRE:"Take a look at the size and power of NFL players today. Any team around today could have wiped the floor of the stadium with any of the old teams." I dissagree. The steroid era teams of the 80's-early 90's were leaner, stronger, quicker. They may be bigger now but fatter,http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289108215/23/2013 9:12:08 AMJim McMannishttp://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289108155/23/2013 9:08:30 AMClark KentI'm from the Toronto area, I owned two fried chicken restaurants from 1981 to 1993 and I will tell you everyone loves fried chicken equally. Silly stereo type. Mary Browns Famous Chicken and Taters.....formerly Mary Brown's Fried Chicken...."the best legs in town".http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289093465/22/2013 2:00:37 PMLindyBillWhat ticks me off if I don't think he knew there was anything wrong with a "fried chicken" remark. We have become much too racist, IMO. http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289093305/22/2013 1:51:27 PMSirWalterRaleghWoods tweeted Wednesday that he's "confident that there is real regret that the remark was made. Fuzzy Zoeller made the same remark (fried chicken) during the 1997 Masters. Tiger playing the race card was unable to forgive and forget.http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289093065/22/2013 1:33:16 PMLindyBillBrennan: Sergio Garcia needs to grow up Christine Brennan, USA TODAY Sports11:49 a.m. EDT May 22, 2013 Woods tweeted Wednesday that he's "confident that there is real regret that the remark was made." If true, then some semblance of progress is being made out of an incendiary and extremely unfortunate situation. ...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289091375/22/2013 12:16:27 PMRoad WalkerThe difference today is physical training. equipment, and the large amount of money has brought out many more players. I also think there is a greater opportunity for young players of modest backgrounds to play. If you throw a larger pool of athletes into the mix you're going to uncover more natural talent. http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289088515/22/2013 10:38:56 AMLindyBillhit low irons like Arnie or Jack. In those days, with the woods they had, you better learn to. http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289088405/22/2013 10:34:15 AMBillSpeaking of 2-irons, I doubt there are five guys on the tour today that could hit low irons like Arnie or Jack.http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289087825/22/2013 10:16:16 AMGlenn Petersenhttp://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289086825/22/2013 9:45:59 AMEnigmahttp://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289084455/22/2013 6:36:01 AMEnigmaIt's more competitive but it doesn't produce great champions who have enduring success and that's the difference. That year Hogan was amazing. Around that time I saw Hogan and Snead win the Canada Cup at Wentworth. Hogan won the Individual. The Brits actually whistled at Snead's drives - which they don't normally d...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289084435/22/2013 6:33:34 AMLindyBillIf you'd seen Nelson or Snead or Hogan you'd realise just how very very good they were I watched Hogan win the Colonial National Invitation in 1953. I was 18, had just finished my sophomore year at SMU in Dallas. That was the year he won the "Hogan Slam." Just happened to go by and see it, had no appreciation of w...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289083185/22/2013 12:15:05 AMEnigmahttp://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289081615/21/2013 10:22:01 PMEnigmaYes but these days players need their own personal coaches and swing gurus and as a result that have less self reliance. In this debate we're leaving out Nicklaus. Phil would have done very well in past eras, one of the fewhttp://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289081565/21/2013 10:20:30 PMEnigmahttp://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289081525/21/2013 10:16:05 PMEnigmaI agree generally with your first paragraph, except that Tiger would have won less tournaments pitted against the very great players from the past. Not to say that he wouldn't have held his own or won more than them - but just look at the scoring averages. Tiger offers a glimpse into what these golfers were likehttp://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289081485/21/2013 10:14:39 PMEnigmaYour arguments seem like those of a person who came to golf relatively recently. If you'd seen Nelson or Snead or Hogan you'd realise just how very very good they were. If you don't know you can't really debate this. With all the advances in equipment, the ball, the courses etc. the scoring average for the Vardon T...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289081375/21/2013 10:10:04 PMSirWalterRaleghIn 40 years, 6 of the best 10 players in the world will probably be black. More likely they will be Korean or Chinese.http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289080215/21/2013 8:54:24 PMdacoolahttp://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289080065/21/2013 8:46:28 PMLindyBillI go into that I will get called a "racist." Golf is a "white" sport. It's like swing dancing. Invented in the Savoy Ball Room by blacks in the 20's, now danced almost exclusively by whites. The Blacks are all hip-hopping. We bred blacks for chopping cotton in the 19th century. The results fill our stadiums with p...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289078645/21/2013 7:30:13 PMSirWalterRaleghTake a look at the size and power of NFL players today. Any team around today could have wiped the floor of the stadium with any of the old teams. OK-LB Why haven't the blacks "wiped" out the whites in golf?http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289078505/21/2013 7:21:33 PMLindyBillThose guys had serious skills that would translate well to today's technology. I suspect it was more raw talent that they worked on by themselves or with very little help. I personally know what a huge difference it made to swing dancers in the 90's when videos became common. All of a sudden we could go back and watc...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289078205/21/2013 7:11:01 PMBillYou're certainly right about today's depth, fitness and player work ethic. But I think the top 20 or 30 from previous eras might be competitive with today's top players. Those guys had serious skills that would translate well to today's technology.http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289077815/21/2013 6:52:15 PMSirWalterRalegh But I bet the ones below them would have a hard time making the tour, or be at the bottom. It is surprising how many journeymen win some of the majors like the US Open below. I think this is representative for the other majors. LB's point that the current depth of field is greater today is on point. The differen...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289076875/21/2013 5:52:45 PMstraight-->arrowhttp://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289076315/21/2013 5:21:58 PMLindyBillAs I said, it's a good subject to discuss. I agree with you that the "top five" of the old time players would be competitive today. But I bet the ones below them would have a hard time making the tour, or be at the bottom. http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289076215/21/2013 5:19:40 PMdacoolaIf Hogan or Snead, for example, played in their prime with today's equipment I believe they would be the same dominate players they were back when. I also believe that Tiger would still be the better player ranked against them. No other sport has been so drastically changed by technology. Merion, once a great and di...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289076125/21/2013 5:15:33 PMLindyBillThe tendency is always to think of the sports greats of the past as the equal or better of the present ones. They almost never are. But it's a good "hot stove league" argument. What has happened over the years is that more people are trained at golf, they are in better shape and the training is better. The present go...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289075485/21/2013 4:41:01 PMEnigma'He came along at a time when the people we refer to as "journeymen" were the equal or better of the best golfers from the 50's though the 90's' Absolutely disagree. Journeymen are always journeymen. Are you trying to say that these modern journeymen remotely compare to Snead, Nelson, Hogan, Casper, and more recentl...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289075295/21/2013 4:32:27 PMEnigmaI don't deny that he is a very great player. People used to say that no one would come around to dominate the others but I always said in effect ' you have no idea how great some players were in the past' and lo and behold one such player has some along. He's simply better than the other boys. And if he's arrogant t...http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289073995/21/2013 3:36:51 PMTamson FischerWe can agree to disagree. I agree the entertainment world is highly sexed. Some in that world handle it differently than others. Appreciate all your golf postings.http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289067825/21/2013 12:15:47 PMLindyBillI am saying you need to "wake up and smell the coffee." The entertainment world is highly sexed. One of the reasons people go into it. Celebs draw women like flies. That's the world. You don't like it, take your complaint to the source of the universe. It will never change.http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=289067585/21/2013 12:11:19 PM