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To: LindyBill who wrote (13139)11/23/2010 6:56:37 AM
From: Chris Forte2 Recommendations  Respond to of 24447
 
As the body of research linking periodontitis with a host of other disease states -- including diabetes, cardiovascular disease, rheumatoid arthritis, surgical complications, and risk of fetal death -- grows, a new study has added yet another to the list: breast cancer (Breast Cancer Research and Treatment, October 19, 2010).

"To our knowledge, this is the first study on the association between periodontitis and breast cancer," Birgitta Söder, DrMedSc, PhD, Lic Odont Sc, RDH, a professor emeritus at Karolinska Institute, told DrBicuspid.com.

The American Cancer Society estimates 209,060 cases of invasive breast cancer in 2010, with more than 40,000 deaths. Breast cancer is rarer in men than women, accounting for less than 1% of breast cancer diagnoses, but both men and women should report any changes in breast tissue to their doctors.

Periodontal disease affects 15% to 35% of adults in industrialized countries. Most often caused by poor hygiene and bacterial infection, disease-active periodontitis also seems to be closely associated with human cytomegalovirus and Epstein-Barr virus co-infection. It is believed that these viruses act together to suppress immune response to bacterial challenges. Herpes viruses may also contribute to chronic periodontitis, leading the authors to conclude that these viruses and bacteria act together to lead to low-degree chronic inflammation and carcinogenesis.

"In severe periodontitis, probably there will be co-infection closely associated with a virus," Dr. Söder said.

The prospective study by Dr. Söder and colleagues followed 3,273 randomly selected subjects from 1985 to 2001 who were 30-40 years of age at baseline. At baseline, 1,676 individuals underwent a clinical oral examination (group A); 1,597 subjects were not clinically examined but were registered (group B).

In total, 26 subjects in group A and 15 subjects in group B had breast cancer. The incidence of breast cancer was 1.75% in subjects who had periodontal disease and/or any missing molars, and 0 in subjects who had periodontal disease but had no missing molars. For periodontally healthy subjects with no missing teeth, the breast cancer incidence was 1%. For group B, the incidence was 0.94%.

Of the subjects with periodontal disease and any missing molars in the mandible, 5.5% had breast cancer, compared with 0.5% of the subjects who had periodontal disease but no missing molars in the mandible (p < 0.02). Chronic periodontal disease indicated by missing molars seemed to associate statistically with breast cancer, the researchers concluded.

Smoking a risk factor?

The link between smoking and cancer has not been fully accounted for in many studies relating periodontal disease to cancer, according to Suellan Go Yao, DMD, and James Burke Fine, DMD, of Columbia University (Compendium of Continuing Education in Dentistry, July/August 2010, Vol. 31:6, pp. 436-444).

"Smoking is a known risk factor for many cancers as well as for periodontal disease and tooth loss," they wrote.

In the Karolinska study, the researchers controlled for smoking as a confounding variable by using multiple logistic regression and dichotomizing smokers into ever smokers (current and former smokers) and never smokers, and found no statistical difference between the two groups. Of the subjects with breast cancer, 42.8% were smokers, 17.9% were former smokers, and 39.3% had never smoked. These numbers were similar to the group with no breast cancer.

Similarly, a study by the American Association for Cancer Research also showed smoking to be a less significant variable than periodontal disease with head and neck squamous cell carcinomas (Cancer Epidemiology, Biomarkers, and Prevention, September 2009, Vol. 18:9, pp. 2406-2412).

And in 2007, researchers from the Harvard School of Public Health found periodontal disease to be independently associated with an increased risk of pancreatic cancer overall, including in people who had never smoked (Journal of the National Cancer Institute, January 17, 2007, Vol. 99:2, pp. 171-175).

"Periodontitis in its advanced form can be viewed as a hyperinflammatory response to bacteria," Dr. Fine told DrBicuspid.com. "The byproducts of this oral inflammation enter the bloodstream and can create problems at distant sites. Inflammation may enhance cellular proliferation and mutagenesis, allowing for the development and spread of cancer."

Copyright © 2010 DrBicuspid.com



To: LindyBill who wrote (13139)11/23/2010 11:12:56 AM
From: rich evansRespond to of 24447
 
Not exactly what has been promoted here.



To: LindyBill who wrote (13139)11/23/2010 12:01:36 PM
From: Lane3Respond to of 24447
 
This is an interesting tale told by a vegan I read a few days ago. It was rather hard to read. Partly I felt sorry for her but mostly I wanted to smack her upside the head. A couple of snippets:

"“I’m sorry, I just can’t. I won’t.” I said to her for the millionth time, wiping the tears that were flowing down my face. “It just isn’t going to happen. I don’t care how sick I am. It’s wrong to eat animals!”

She leaned forward on her desk and made one more plea for me to think more carefully about my health and well being. “Natasha, you are hurting yourself. You are very, very sick. Your hair is falling out, your depression is back, and you are making yourself ill. You cannot go on like this.”

I stared at her for several long seconds, then got up and left the room."


"Of course, I never questioned why I was constantly hungry. Why 2 veggie burgers, a giant raw vegetable salad, and a bowl of nuts, couldn’t keep me full longer than 2 hours. It was exhausting, physically painful, and tedious trying to keep myself fed, but I figured it was worth it. I was healthy. Or at least, that’s what I thought until it was proven otherwise. "

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To: LindyBill who wrote (13139)4/3/2011 1:25:28 PM
From: PaperPerson1 Recommendation  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 24447
 
I am following in bill clinton's footsteps. not with interns, but with the diet i now refer to as 'vegan with a vengeance,' meaning vegan, no meat no dairy, PLUS no oil no fat. this is the diet that is the basis for the book by caldwell esselstyn which you , LindyBill, wrote off in your message of November 2010.

A month before you wrote that pseudo-scientific dissertation of yours, in which you basically justified what you were already doing, I went on the Esselstyn diet, which I know joking call "vegan with a vengeance."

After six months on the Esselstyn diet, LindyBill, I am a new man at the age of 62. I have a lot more vitality. People at work are telling me how good I look, my pant size has gone down by four inches, i am energetic enough to do a strenuous fast walking program for the first time in my life, and i basically thinking i could be healthy for the next 20 years instead of walking around like a doomed heart attack victim waiting for his next occurence!

Esselstyn, like you, is in his seventies. He looks like a fitness instructor! What you put down is the longest running study of diet andd cardiac health ever undertaken! He started it in 85, and in many ways it rubbed his colleagues at the cleveland clinic the wrong way, since they derive a lot fo their income from crisis intervention in the form of surgery.

Esselstyn describes his odyssey and his recommended diet in his book "Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease." his wife fills out the book with a bunch of easy to make recipes to get the reader started on this new path.


heartattackproof.com 

Bill, I think you should read the book and maybe try it for a month or two before writing it off.

i am spending the time to write this so that people with an open mind will realize that your method is not the only valid one.

Frankly, I shudder to think of all the people who could honestly benefit from reading this book and following this diet who might have been given the excuse they needed not to try it because your well-meaning advice was to the contrary.

however, this is nothing new. when i told my cardiologist in december what i was doing with my diet that enabled me to stay on the treadmill twice as along as a year earlier, he had never heart of esselstyn. then he said, "what, you're not even eating olive oil?"

i had a heart attack and surgery on arteris in 98 so i have known for a long time that my arteries were being slowly compromised by plaque etc., which put me at risk not only for another heart attack but also stroke and dementia (hardening of the arteries). but i really did not do anything about it except for gradually cutting back on red meat and taking the prescribed meds until last fall.

I was gradually moving toward a more vegan approach when i heard clinton's interview with matt lauer of NBC in the fall of 2010, and that is what led to my transition.

he went into alittle more detail on CNN, which is the clip somebody posted to You tube and covers the same basic ground.

youtube.com 

basically, watching this interview and then joining bill clinton in what he calls "the experiment" can in my opinion save a person's life, if he is on a typical western diet and has any propensity toward arteriosclerosis, heart ailments, diabetes, stroke, hardening of the arteries.


Clinton specifically cited esselstyn, so i immediately ordered the book. when it came, it sat on the shelf for a while. I didn't care anymore.

what really propelled me was that i was getting concerned about what had become chronic psoriasis on the soles of my feet and in the palms of my hands.

i suspected this condition was drug related. the docs just tell you to take steroids and send you the bill. but i wanted to know what my body was telling me.

i was taking zetia, simvastatin (same as zocor) and lisinopril, a generic Blood pressure drug.

i read on line the message of a guy with the exact same symptoms i had who was taking crestor.

it turns out that two of my drugs -- zetia and simvastatin together are the same as Crestor.

simultaneously with the psoriasis, i was also getting bad liver enzyme readings at the cardiologist office. so he did not mind that i decided to cut my statin dose in half to see what woudl happen to the liver enzyme readings six months later.

so i experimented with cutting my statin dose in half and that brought the liver reading better but it made my overall cholesterol go up.

the esselstyn diet thus killed a couple of birds with one stonee.

i decided i could stop taking zetia if i followed esselstyn's approach, since i would not be taking in any cholesterol, period. i also decided i could keep the statin dose low also by this diet. as it turns out, i had to cut my own BP medication in half because i was getting heart flutters from too much BP med for my improving health!!

i have become a great believer in this esselstyn diet and i believe it it will help me live a longer more productive more enjoyable life.

it is true that it is tough at first. the hardest part is figuring out what you can eat and dropping the takeout habit. there is almost no takeout food i can eat!

but once you figure out the foods that work and start cooking them, and get used to it, this diet is really easy.

simple foods like bread or carrots or CORN start tasting better once you give up on the oils fats and sugar.

i started feeling more energetic. after just three months on the diet in december 2010, with no exercise yet, i stayed on the treadmill for double the length of time i did the previous year and my cardiologist, who previously had seen encroaching plaque in previous stress tests.
the psoriasis went away by january of this year. my opinion is that eliminating the zetia did the most to eliminate the psoriasis.

i started a walking program started in January 2011. this is the first time in my life that i have actually FELT like getting exercise.

after just a month on the walking plus the accumulated loss of weight, i found i coudl cut my BP medication in half and still get a reading of roughly 110 over 72. so i did that too.

i eat a regular mix of foods to make sure i get enough protein and nutrients. i eat a lot of grains, including quinoa and oats and wheat.

re fatty acids. i do add flaxseed meal to my diet each day, which i guess is one thing we can agree on. the esselstyn diet suggests flaxseed in small daily doses for fatty acids. this is important since esselstyn tells heart patients not to eat any nuts or avocados.

there are protein sources that we as americans are rather ignorant about, such as quinoa. it has all the amino acids.

quinoa.net 

plus quinoa is heavy in a couple of aminos that beans and soybeans are light in, so if you get the beans and the quinoa you are getting a really nice mix of amino acids that will mean you simply do not have to worry about protein.


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