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To: LindyBill who wrote (468400)1/30/2012 12:12:17 PM
From: Brumar89Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 536477
 
If it wasn't for Panetta ....

... According to Biden's account here, all of the president's other top counselors including secretary of State Hillary Clinton were wishy-washy about launching the assassination mission, except for Leon Panetta, then director of the Central Intelligence Agency, now secretary of Defense.

Biden portrayed the advisers' indecision as standard Washington protective practice so if it failed, they could write in later books that they never suggested a go-ahead. Biden said he hoped his colleagues would not do that. Of course, Biden's recommendation not to launch was also a bureaucratically safe bet in the event of failure--'I told him we shouldn't go.'
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Here's Biden's account from the tape:

“The President, he went around the table with all the senior people including the Chiefs of Staff. He said, I have to make this decision what is your opinion? He started with the National Security adviser, the Secretary of State and he ended with me. Every single person in that room hedged their bet, except Leon Panetta.

"Leon said GO. Everyone else said 49, 51, this…

"It got to me. Joe what do you think? I said ‘You know I didn’t know we have so many economists around the table. We owe the man a direct answer. Mr. President my suggestion is, 'Don’t go.' We have to do two more things to see if he’s there.’”

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To: LindyBill who wrote (468400)1/30/2012 9:26:28 PM
From: Stan3 Recommendations  Respond to of 536477
 
re: Aryeh Spero: What the Bible teaches about capitalism.

Mosaic law also had some socialistic controls over capitalism, for example, although land was owned, the owner was forbidden to glean the corners of his field or to go back to get left-behind stalks nor he could not go over a tree twice to get what remained after the initial attempt. These all were to be left to the poor or stranger to take if need be.

"When you reap your harvest in your field, and forget a sheaf in the field, you shall not go back to get it; it shall be for the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, that the Lord your God may bless you in all the work of your hands. When you beat your olive trees, you shall not go over the boughs again; it shall be for the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow. When you gather the grapes of your vineyard, you shall not glean it afterward; it shall be for the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow. Deuteronomy 24:19-21

Not only did the farmer not have complete access to his own product in this way, the poor were not allowed to take more than he could eat. He was not allowed to gather up a man's produce in his garment to remove it from the property, which taught him not to excuse covetousness because of his poverty. He had to be moderate in his use of the government-ordered charity of his neighbor - lest he become rich on the charity of others. Too many are on the government dole who take every single dollar they can get their hands on whether by legal or shady means, contributing to the general inefficiency and fraud in the system.

"When you come into your neighbor's vineyard, you may eat your fill of grapes at your pleasure, but you shall not put any in your container. When you come into your neighbor's standing grain, you may pluck the heads with your hand, but you shall not use a sickle on your neighbor's standing grain. Deuteronomy 23:24-25.

Liberalism is too eager to give excesses to the poor because they are poor.

You shall not show partiality to a poor man in his dispute. Exodus 23:3



To: LindyBill who wrote (468400)1/30/2012 9:29:44 PM
From: Brian SullivanRead Replies (1) | Respond to of 536477
 
Joe Biden couldn't keep his big mouth shut...

Joe Biden admits he opposed the bin Laden hit



Vice President Joe Biden, apparently alone among the president's senior advisers, suggested last spring that the commander-in-chief not send a special forces hit squad to kill Osama bin Laden in Pakistan.

Biden apparently didn't feel sufficiently certain that the al Qaeda founder and mastermind of all the 9/11 killings was in the house where he was suspected to be to prompt an armed covert incursion by American forces into the territory of an ally in the war on terror.

Biden made the unsolicited admission or confession during remarks to a Democratic congressional retreat in Maryland this past weekend. (Full C-SPAN Archive Video of his remarks below.) The rest of his speech was a rambling political tour d'horizon about how Republicans "don't get it" and a prediction that after November, Democrats will control the House. Biden's identical prediction in 2010 was incorrect by an historic margin.

Why the vice president, who's counting on being renominated to his party's ticket this summer in Charlotte, would so publicly describe how mistaken he was in such a major historic decision to end a 10-year manhunt was unclear. Perhaps to show he was involved, how hesitant others were to be decisive or how right his boss was?

Biden boasted to his party colleagues that for the previous month only six people whom he did not name were aware of bin Laden's suspected hideout. Finally, it came down to decision time and a secret White House meeting.

According to Biden's account here, all of the president's other top counselors including secretary of State Hillary Clinton were wishy-washy about launching the assassination mission, except for Leon Panetta, then director of the Central Intelligence Agency, now secretary of Defense.

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