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To: slacker711 who wrote (539)2/19/2010 6:30:03 PM
From: Newly2b   of 1935
 
Thanks, slacker. Appreciate your insights. Hope you don't mind if I repost some of this on my thread, attributed to you, of course.

Newly

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To: Wyätt Gwyön who wrote (543)2/20/2010 9:35:09 AM
From: slacker711   of 1935
 
what US carriers will have the Wave? will T-Mobile have any Super AMOLEDs in the near future?

The Wave will be available overseas in April but Samsung has only said that a US launch is "in discussions". I am not sure that Bada will be a great fit in the US. Qualcomm's BREW platform is targeting the same kind of segment and is gaining some significant traction with the carriers.

I do think we will see some Super AMOLED handsets over the summer. Samsung has a huge number of touch screen OLED handsets and the Super AMOLED keeps the touch screen sensor revenue in-house while creating a better display. That makes it a no-brainer for any new high-end Samsung handsets coming to market.

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From: slacker7112/24/2010 2:54:20 PM
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Another article on OLED production capacity in Korea.

translate.google.com 

Thanks to a little translation help from Wyatt, I have the salient details.

1) Samsung is adding two new lines during the 1st half which will take them from 22,000 panels a month at the end of last year to 45,000 panels a month starting in the 2nd half. The article states that this is 3.5 gen capacity though I have seen other articles mention that they have a 4th gen plant.

2) LG Display will start up their 3.5 gen plant in the 2nd quarter with a capacity of 8000 panels a month. They will add capacity during the 2nd half to take them to 16,000 panels a month at the beginning of next year.

3) The article also mentions that both companies are considering a 5.5 gen plant for next year.

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To: slacker711 who wrote (546)2/24/2010 3:46:45 PM
From: Newly2b   of 1935
 
Hi, slacker. I've been looking for some positive news to post on PANL, so I hope you don't mind if I post a link on my board to your last posts here. . .

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From: slacker7113/2/2010 4:57:23 PM
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Samsung: OLED TVs on the Horizon

blogs.pcmag.com 




Full-size OLED TVs are on the horizon, according to Samsung Mobile Display. Speaking at the DisplaySearch conference today, SMD Vice President of Engineering Brian Berkeley said Samsung is accelerating its development of OLED displays, focusing on the size and volume rollout of OLEDs for the TV market.

He noted that at a similar conference two years ago, he was very skeptical of the future of OLED TVs; for $2,500, you could get a 46-inch LCD or an 11-inch OLED TV, and that wouldn't work in the market. He said the same thing would happen today, but that for $2,500 you could get a 15-inch OLED TV.

But there is a difference. What's changed is that high-volume production for OLEDs is now here, with SMD producing millions of displays each month. Berkeley noted that last January, Samsung consolidated all its OLED work into one company instead of three different divisions. SMD created the world's only high-volume OLED manufacturing line (a Gen 4 plant in Cheonan), producing mobile displays starting late in 2008.

Over the past year, Berkeley said, yield and line efficiency has matured, just as happened with LCD TVs about seven years ago. Now, the company is developing medium- to large-size OLEDs, and making huge investments in that.

Berkeley explained that a LED TV is not an OLED TV: LED TVs are LED-backlighted LCDS, while OLEDs use an emissive technology. OLED TVs will have several advantages; one is that they require no backlighting (since LEDs are emissive). They also require fewer layers in manufacturing and less glass. This could mean that in the long run, the price could be at 80 percent LCD prices.

Berkeley said that OLEDs were much "greener" than LCDs and plasma displays, because they use much less energy and will use even less in the future. Today, a 40-inch TV could run on 40 watts, but in five years, an OLED of that size might use only 10 watts.

Regarding the technology needed to build the next generation of OLEDs, Berkeley said, you can't just switch an LCD backplane plant directly to an OLED backplane. His company is working on how to scale this from a Gen 4 size plant to a Gen 8 plant, which would be big enough to make TV displays economically. This will require either much more powerful lasers working much more quickly than today's process for creating the backplane on which they deposit the OLEDs, or some alternative technology. There are also issues in color patterning, for which Samsung thinks it has a new unique solution, and OLED printing.

Berkeley talked about transparent displays, such as the one the company showed at CES. He also said OLED TVs will be much better for 3DTVs; and also for flexible displays; and that Samsung will be showing some new papers and making some big announcements about the technology at the SID conference in May. He didn't say, but it sounds like it could be a new plant.

Overall, Berkeley said OLED TVs will be greener, lower cost, and will look better. It still sounds years off, but it's getting closer.

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To: slacker711 who wrote (548)3/2/2010 8:57:26 PM
From: slacker7111 Recommendation   of 1935
 
and that Samsung will be showing some new papers and making some big announcements about the technology at the SID conference in May. He didn't say, but it sounds like it could be a new plant.

FWIW, Samsung Mobile Displays is delivering one of the keynotes at SID. The address is entitled "The Next Big Thing in Displays"....and it will be about OLED's.

informationdisplay.org 

Dr. Sang-Soo Kim, Executive VP, Samsung Fellow and SID Fellow, Samsung Mobile Display, will describe "The Next Big Thing in Displays." Dr. Kim is responsible for leading the research of large-sized and advanced OLED technology, including flexible and transparent OLED displays, at Samsung. He will address the latest developments in OLED displays and how this technology will result in dramatic changes in the display landscape of the future.

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To: slacker711 who wrote (548)3/3/2010 11:29:34 AM
From: A.J. Mullen   of 1935
 
Slacker,

Do you have a sense of the pros and cons of OLEDs versus Mirasol. I thought Mirasol might be a very useful niche product for outdoor and low power requirements, but now I'm not so sure.

On the one hand, having seen a prototype Mirasol live, I don't see why that's not ready for prime time - for TVs. Mirasol is behind OLEDs in production capacity, but Qualcomm has the resources to ramp that up fast.

On then otherhand, for video, I doubt that Mirasol has any edge over OLEDs in power consumption. I have a Mirasol publication in front of me that claims a generic phone with Mirasol screen can provide 4.5 hours of video, while the same phone with a TFT(?) LCD will provide 3.3 hours. Given what I've read about OLEDs compared to LCDs, I expect a phone with an OLED screen would rival the Mirasol in battery-life.

The resolution of the Mirasol screen seemed wonderful. A PR guy claimed it was such that any improvement would not be discernible to the human eye. Contrast seemed very good too. I suspect there will be little to tell the two apart on picture quality.

Perhaps one technology is faster at changing the image, but neither seems to have a problem there. Reliability and longevity, and price are the only other factors that I can think of that might partition the two technologies, beyond price.

Do you, anyone else, have any thoughts on this?

Ashley

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To: A.J. Mullen who wrote (550)3/3/2010 12:56:22 PM
From: slacker711   of 1935
 
having seen a prototype Mirasol live, I don't see why that's not ready for prime time - for TVs.

The prototype you saw must have made significant strides versus previous generations. The specs on the displays have always indicated fairly low image quality (contrast ratio, color gamut) and even those shown at CES werent anywhere near TV quality.

I'm curious what kind of videos they were showing on the displays....were there blacks included? In the past, Qualcomm has shown bright videos of nature which mask the poor contrast ratio.

Last November, Qualcomm indicated that displays for smartphones were 2 to 3 years away...so the manufacturing process much be the hold up if they are already showing prototypes.

I have a Mirasol publication in front of me that claims a generic phone with Mirasol screen can provide 4.5 hours of video, while the same phone with a TFT(?) LCD will provide 3.3 hours. Given what I've read about OLEDs compared to LCDs, I expect a phone with an OLED screen would rival the Mirasol in battery-life.

I have only found a single reference by Qualcomm to power consumption while showing video....and I believe the number referenced was around 30mW. That is a very good number and OLED's would need to be based on all PHOLED materials to match it.

The problem though is that should translate to a far higher battery life while showing video. It is impossible to say what the reason for the discrepancy is, but the fact that Q has so rarely chosen to disclose the power consumption specs (based on mW) makes me a bit suspicious that something is being left out.

However, if Qualcomm does manage to solve the image quality problems, they will be a formidable competitor to OLED's across the product tiers.

Slacker

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From: slacker7113/3/2010 1:11:49 PM
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E-Reader Displays Head Toward Color

blogs.pcmag.com 

Categories:

Displays, Gadgets
Tags:

Displays, E Ink, E-Readers, Electronic Books, Qualcomm
Mirasol Displays Mar 10.jpgE-reader technology is moving ahead, with faster speeds, color, and video on the horizon, according to vendors I spoke to at the DisplaySearch U.S. Flat Panel Display conference this week. In particular, E Ink and Qualcomm MEMS Technology both told me they expect we'll have color e-readers with low-power displays within the next year.

At the conference, Sriram Peruvemba, vice president of marketing for E Ink, estimates that 5 million e-book readers were sold in 2009. But that number will grow to 98 million by 2018. He said he thinks the number can be even higher, with dedicated e-textbooks with flexible color displays, especially in emerging markets.

Currently, Peruvemba said, there are more than 50 ebook products actually shipping in the worldwide market, including more than 10 in China. And that's not counting all the new devices we've seen lately, especially in the emerging e-document and e-newspaper space: products such as the Plastic Logic Que and the Skiff.


Peruvemba said that many more semiconductor vendors are now interested in the ebook market, and this is resulting in faster and less expensive displays. He also noted the advtanges of E Ink displays, saying they have much better battery life, and can be a lot lighter than LCDs: LCD tablets need to be held by two hands, but those using E Ink technology can be held in a single hand, making them better for note taking. The actual E Ink technology allows for flexible screens, "floppy like a piece of paper," but the devices it appears in are stiffened so they are solid, or more like a pad of paper.

Peruvemba told me that different customers want different things, ranging from flexibility to better contrast to more speed to color. His company has shown demonstrations of color displays for the past two years, and he said it looks more like the color you would see in a newspaper than on a LCD screen; but the displays retains the flexibility and battery llfe performance. E Ink is expecting to show more at the SID show in a couple of months, and Peruvemba said it was likely devices based on the color technology would ship around the first quarter of 2011.

Peruvemba said that the company also has screens with much faster refresh rates running in the labs, but he added that it normally takes 2 ½ to 3 years for such products to move from the lab to the fab and show up in shipping products.

He noted that E Ink screens are also beginning to be used in many devices other than e-books, in applications ranging from watches to digital signage. Peruvemba showed me a credit-card-size device with a small screen that he's has been carrying in his pocket that's been running for 2 years on a single battery.

Also at the conference, Brian Gally, director of product management for Qualcomm MEMS technology, talked about the company's Mirasol displays. He said paper is the hardest thing to compete against: It's very low cost, always on, foldable, and very durable. But, he said, the demand is different these days, thanks to Internet content and wireless reach. The handset has evolved, and the e-reader will evolve as well, adding features such as color and video. Convergence in all these devices means more features, which means more demand, and therefore there is a "growing power gap" with battery technology falling behind.

According to Gally, today's e-readers are great for serious book readers, but lack color, video, web viewing, or photos. But although products such as the iPad will be great multimedia devices, they'll be heavier, not as portable, and won't have the battery life.

In between, Gally said, is room for a device with color and video that's still light. That's where he placed Mirasol's display, which uses MEMS technology that reflects light in a cavity, with the interference creating color. The advantages of Mirasol displays include better battery life than electrophoretic (E Ink) displays and much better than LCDs, both on today's applications and even more so on future applications, such as video.

I also talked with Cheryl Goodman, head of marketing for Qualcomm MEMS Technology, and she told me the company was going to focus on the color e-reader market. Early versions of the displays have been used in a few other devices, such as Bluetooth headsets and some handsets, but the company is no longer going to be pushing the bi-chrome (black on white) displays.

Goodman said her company has recently dedicated its own Gen 4.5 fab and expects to be shipping its 5.7-inch color display in time to be in products on the store shelves for this holiday season. Such devices could have an integrated touch interface, for zooming in on contents. In particular, she said, the company is talking to lots of magazine publishers. One advantage of the 5.7-inch display is that devices built on it should be able to fit in a man's suit pocket.

Ross Rubin , Director of Industry Analysis for the NPD Group, started the conference session by noting that mobile reading has changed since 2002, the year the first smartphone--the Treo 180--shipped and the first 3G network was rolled out. An NPD study of e-book users said that in addition to reading books, these users wanted to read newspapers and magazines. And a number also want to be able to watch videos on their devices. In addition to using their e-readers, these customers said they were also using their PCS and smartphones to read on multiple devices.

Rubin said handsets are getting larger screens, but that people who own both netbooks as well as smartphones tend to access e-mail and the Web more from the netbook.

Of course, there are lots of other technologies in development for this market, including those from Pixel Qi, LiquaVista, Pixtronix, Sipex and others. I wrote about a number of these last fall. What's new now is that it looks like we really will see low-power color displays in e-books and other devices in the next year or so.

Today, we think of e-readers, and the current black-and-white E Ink technology comes to mind. A year from now, there may be many other choices.

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To: slacker711 who wrote (551)3/3/2010 6:55:31 PM
From: A.J. Mullen   of 1935
 
No clear images of black within video that I can remember. There was the ubiquitous butterfly unfolding its wings, plus plenty of (still) text in black and white, with and without color illustrations, with simulated page-turning that involved the text moving across the screen as the page moved.

There's a "research report on Mirasol's website that gives comparisons between LCDs and IMODs for power consumption by the a 2.5-2.8" screen in a phone:

LCD IMOD %overall power
saved by IMOD (power in mW)
voice 79 1 0.8
web browsing 315 23 49.8
video 315 23 31.0
Messaging 315 11 78.4

EDIT Let me try formating that again:
-LCD----IMOD------%Savings
---79--------1------------0.8----voice
--315------23----------49.8----web browsing
--315------23----------31.0----video
--315------11----------78.4----messaging
(power in mW)

Operating Assumptions: 80% active time in an office, 10% in bright light and 10% at night (dim light)
mirasoldisplays.com 

The power savings on the screen do not pass proportionately to the phone as a whole of course.

Ashley

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