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To: toby cyr who wrote (129)2/18/1997 10:48:00 AM
From: kili   of 7340
 
Mr. Cyr,
I've just finishing reading all the messages concerning MVIS, but I have still not managed to find any answers to my problem. You might be able to help me: According to a norwegian technical analyst (assumed to be based on a very high regard to Elliot Wave theory), MVIS should have a potential of $40 within a foreseeable future. Do you have a clue to how that makes sence?

regards
kim

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To: kili who wrote (130)2/18/1997 10:56:00 AM
From: toby cyr   of 7340
 
Dear Kim,

Can you explain in more detail? Where in Norway are you from? Nice to see you on this thread.

Best,
Toby Cyr
Visibook Technologies

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To: toby cyr who wrote (131)2/18/1997 11:13:00 AM
From: kili   of 7340
 
Dear Toby,

I live and work in Bergen. Norway's 2nd city, on the western coast. A rainy place, but very charming.

The details? I receive a daily fax from an advisor. He concentrates on our local market, but we are very weary of the DJI's moods. Despite our oil... He (the advisor) pops up from time to time with a stock from the USA. His performance is quite impressive. Last fall he picked MVIS at just over $6. Repeating the recommendation at 3 7/8. He seems very firm about an expectation of seeing $40 within the year end. How, I'm not in a position to say. According to the same guy, we're still to be quite bullish about Wall Street.
With positive earnings as far away as 4th q 98, one has to have high hopes. I have joined the gang: Bought some shares a couple of days ago. My pension is saved!

best regards
kim

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To: Andrew Moulden who wrote (125)2/18/1997 12:57:00 PM
From: Richard Rutkowski   of 7340
 
Andrew,

You may be surprised to learn that I don't take exception to Mr. McHattie's remarks, although like so many authors he engages in an invective which borders on inflammatory to carry his point.: ..."insidious" is perhaps a bit dramatic.

He is correct that the early exercise provisions do put a cap on warrant value and that it tilts the balance...but there I think is " the rub"...If you'll excuse me borrowing from the great bard.

Structuring any kind of security is about achieving a balance that is favorable to both the issuer and the holder. If the scale tilts too far in either direction neither party benefits. After all isn't the availability of low cost capital a competitive advantage for a company?, but clearly an investor benefits most from attaching a high cost of capital to his investment (to wit Mr. McH's point about the company wishing to limit or manage the long term dilutive effects of warrants). This is a sensible and legitmate strategy given the variability of outcomes.
Anyway I'm happy to engage offline and in my free time
about this sort of philosophical discussion...but it seems that at bottom what you or Mr. McH are saying is that risk equity capital is more expensive in the UK than in the US...Although I have not studied this, this wouldn't surprise me.

Back to Mr. McHattie, I think I spoke to one of his points in my earlier comment on the warrants...Mr. McH points out that investors should carefully consider the risk/reward profile of "callable" warrants...I agree...But this doesn't really have biblical profundity since it's advice that should apply to the analysis of any security..

I pointed out previously that we have made our warrants more difficult to call in order to maximize the time premium in the warrants, and this is really the question that an investor needs to examine, because as you know, the time premium will erode as the warrant acquires positive intrinsic value and nears its cap or "call price" so its a question of degree isn't it?...All this does is make the math a little harder, but I think McHattie is fundamentally incorrect if he challenges the use of "callable" warrants as a financing strategy...There are benefits to both issuers and holders and I'm happy to support this argument to the fullest as time permits...

Thanks for your input....

Rick

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To: Richard Rutkowski who wrote (133)2/18/1997 4:55:00 PM
From: Andrew Moulden   of 7340
 
Richard,

I AM surprised to learn, and thank you for your candour. I also accept your point about "insidious" which suggests secrecy -- MVIS and other US companies in no way try to hide the terms of their warrant issues.

I think you're probably right about the cost of raising capital in the US vs the UK. Investors in US markets are prepared to accept higher levels of risk than here, but of course the potential rewards are so much greater.

However, what's surprising about US warrants is that investors seem to be prepared to accept an inordinate amount of downside risk for a relatively small amount of extra upside gain. In Microvision's case the early redemption terms of the warrants mean that little leverage is gained from buying the warrant at $2 against a $5.5 stock price -- certainly much less than the straight 2.75 gearing suggests. I think it's this sort of situation that McH is alluding to when he talks about assessing risk/reward.

As I said before, this is a problem for investors and not for you.

Good luck,

Andrew

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To: toby cyr who wrote (129)2/18/1997 5:52:00 PM
From: Andrew Moulden   of 7340
 
Dear Toby,

Well, it's the first time I've been called an intellectual. If you knew me a little better you'd know that nothing is further from the truth.

I'm sorry if my nationality and the way I write bother you -- unfortunately I can't do much about either. You know how stuffy we English are, and we don't mean to be.

If you thought my observations on European warrant valuation methods vs US ones were some sort of dig at America then you're wrong -- I just happen to believe that such methods are superior in this particular field in the same way that an overwhelming number of US valuation and trading methods have proven superior in other financial areas around the world.

As for innovation, raising capital etc., you've got me wrong there too. I have total admiration for the entrepreneurial zeal of corporate America, and over the past four years the majority of my investment has been in the US technology sector. I haven't avoided putting money into start-ups and development stage companies.

You have to accept that if you start hyping a stock on a public discussion group and start advising fellow investors to buy warrants at so-and-so a price, there's the possibility someone's going to disagree with you. Why the tirade?

The reason I said we have irreconcilable differences is because you are fortunate in being able to treat investment as a fun pastime -- like going to the racetrack or Vegas. To others it's a very serious business because if we get it wrong we can't pay the school fees.

If you sat down at a table with the five best poker players in the world, how long do you think you'd last? You'd win a few hands maybe, but in the long run they'd clean you out because sheer experience and their skill at assessing probabilities would be greater than yours.

It's the same in investment. Sure, you MAY make some good money on MVIS warrants buying them at $2, but IMHO (note the 'humble') if you consistently invest on this basis then sooner or later they'll carry you out in a box. You're fighting the odds, and you're fighting them in a big way. Remember that when you make a trade there's someone on the other side. Maybe he's an 'intellectual' who happens to have spent some time working the math. This is something that always preys on my own mind. When I'm buying, someone's selling, and there are investors out there with stacks more skill and knowledge than I have.

<<This is more than the retention of capital, more than safety, more than the calculation of downside risk. This is a visionary company, not a warrant argument.>>

Er, am I missing something here? On the one hand you're buying warrants to trade them short-term and have said you'll dump them if the company doesn't show signs of progress, but at the same time you're appealing to the altruism of others to support innovation and breakthrough technology. One rule for you and another for the rest of us....?

<<In fact the word NEGATIVE seems wholly appropriate.>>

About the warrants at $2 when the stock's at $5.5?.....You bet.

<<Richard Rutkowski does not owe you any explanation.>>

No he doesn't, but he gave one, and very eloquently I thought. Nice to see a CEO who can react calmly to veiled criticism eh Toby?

Regards,

Andrew

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To: David Rodella who wrote (128)2/18/1997 6:44:00 PM
From: Tony Havelka   of 7340
 
Dear David,

There are quite a few display manufacturers that produce panels with VGA+ resolutions. Try Sharp, NEC, Hitachi and Sony. US based manufacturers include Kopin, Planar, Texas Instruments. There are also a handful of smaller Silicon Valley based companies that also produce high resolution display products targeted at projection TV and HMD markets.

Regards,

Tony

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To: Andrew Moulden who wrote (116)2/20/1997 10:16:00 PM
From: Droog   of 7340
 
I too am perplexed by the astonishingly high price of MVIS warrants
relative to stock shares. Let's scratch out some rough numbers:

Say I wish to invest $10000 in Microvision, and must choose between
2000 MVIS @ $5 or 5000 MVISW @ $2. What would these 2 alternative
investments be worth at expiration, depending on MVIS price in 2001:

$5/sh $12/sh $16/sh $20/sh $24/sh
2000 MVIS: $10000 $24000 $32000 $40000 $48000
5000 MVISW: 0 0 $20000 $40000 $60000

So, under the best possible circumstance, MVIS reaches $24/sh, and
the MVISW would be worth $60000 while the MVIS will have reached
"only" $48000 (oh poor baby!). But if MVIS has merely outstanding
results of 30% growth per year, I'll have lost everything with MVISW,
versus more than doubling my investment with MVIS. Unless I am >95%
confident that MVIS will more than quadruple in 4+ years, I cannot for
the life of me see the rationale for choosing MVISW. Am I missing
something here? Or is this what Alan Greenspan meant by the
"irrational exuberance" of American investors?

Peace,
Droog

P.S. Granted, my analysis omits second-order considerations such as
taxes, interest rates and volatility opportunities as MVIS nears $24.
(Not to mention value of MVISW in the sports memorabilia market!)

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To: Droog who wrote (137)2/27/1997
From: toby cyr   of 7340
 
Dear Droog,

Mvisw has a life of its own. It's a marketable security. Your analysis shows 0 value on mvisw. That may be later. Not now. It's a money maker now because it rises at a much faster rate than mvis.

Conservative? NO.
A money maker because you can buy so many? Yes!

Best,
Toby Cyr

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To: toby cyr who wrote (138)2/27/1997 11:08:00 AM
From: Tony Havelka   of 7340
 
Dear Toby,

I agree with you in that MVISW is a marketable security-the volumes speak for themselves. It is also one that you could potentially make some money on. The biggest problem that I can see with MVISW is that it is somewhat overvalued given its redemption clause and its relatively short time frame to expiration. Overvaluation adds a certain risk factor to the security, in that you are hoping for someone to buy at a higher price than you did!

With respect to your comments about MVISW being a money maker beacuse you can buy so many - actually, you make the money when you sell the warrant not when you buy it. Eventhough there is a market for them now - time is not on the warrants side. As the "deadline" approaches, the intrinsic value of the warrant will begin to more accurately relfect its value. Hopefully, if the stock shoots up to $20 in the next couple of years, you would have made a good investment. Yet, if the stock price does not even come close to $12+price you paid for the warrant, the warrant would have no value to you and you lose the money you had invested.

Sure - if anything would be a sure thing, we wouldn't call it an invsestment we would call it a gift. And we all agree that this is an investment. I am trying to see what you see in this stock but I cannot. It is a very interesting technology and could have some profound effects in a commercial market. "Could" is the important word here. Time is not on MVIS warrant's side and it is not on MVIS's technology side either. For every day that they are not "in the market" they are giving other companies time to either catch up or pull ahead.

Still waiting to jump in,

Tony

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