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To: Ptaskmaster who wrote (577)5/16/2000 3:53:00 PM
From: Sleeper   of 976
 
Thanks for the article, Ptask. Sounds like SA has ambitious expansion plans. Have they informed the natives yet?<g>

So supply & demand, as outlined long ago by Adam Smith, once again exerts it's inexorable influence. Like gravity, it's hard to deny.

Is that the Fat lady I hear warming up in the background?

NAP still is well positioned as a low cost, secure producer of Pd. Don't know whether I believe the line about Russia having ample supplies. If they did, they missed a great opportunity to sell at $800/oz. instead of today's $570/oz.

Sleeper

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To: Sleeper who wrote (578)5/19/2000 12:14:00 PM
From: Bruce Robbins   of 976
 
Sleeper (and Ptask),

PDL is floating down- getting cheap again. Any specific reason for that? I am interested in buying some PDL stock soon. TIA,

Bruce

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To: Bruce Robbins who wrote (579)5/22/2000 6:54:00 AM
From: Sleeper   of 976
 
PDL is floating down- getting cheap again. Any specific reason for that?

1. See the previous post concerning SA Pt/Pd production

2. Have you checked the condition of the equity markets recently?

Sleeper

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To: Sleeper who wrote (580)5/22/2000 7:57:00 AM
From: Bruce Robbins   of 976
 
I see no problem with the Pt/Pd supply even if the SAf pump up production- there is not enough and the prices are well above what they were in 1999. It is also going to take 5 years to do this. Why would the SAf shoot themselves in the foot? PFN and all the rest of the Pt/Pd explorers are most probably NOT going to find a mine, and even if they do, it will be 10 years before we see any metal from those operations. And what will happen to the Russian supplies over that time? It has been implied on this and other threads that the R have no more stockpiles. The supply situation is great for Pt/Pd. That should be positive for PDL.

The resource equity markets are more than quiet. Perhaps with the lack of volume and interest these past two months, PDL is drifting down. Perhaps the D-I-L-U... you spoke of is coming soon as well.

Bruce

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To: Bruce Robbins who wrote (581)5/22/2000 10:05:00 AM
From: Bruce Robbins   of 976
 
I forgot to add that Pt and Pd do not appear to have the Central Bank and hedging/forward sales problems that gold has. That is also great for the supply side.

SAf is a political mess. Russia is too. That could make for very interesting short term swings in the price.

My position (in a nutshell) is that gold has been very disappointing in the last 3 years- the US$ is winning the war. Pt is replacing gold in jewelry and perhaps it will replace it as currency in the future (although there is not enough Pt to go around and that might kill the currency thing). Pt/Pd are very important strategic metals that we can not go without. Demand will always be high- supply rare. I am bullish on Pt/Pd. I'm looking for an equity vehicle to play with- it has to be a Pt/Pd producer- usually you make more money with them than with physical metal. The SAf miners like Impala and Anglo are hard to buy/sell without getting screwed by your broker. SWC is screwed up. PDL looks like the best bet, if they can get through their debt situation and expansion...

Bruce

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To: Bruce Robbins who wrote (582)5/22/2000 10:20:00 AM
From: Sleeper   of 976
 
Bruce, while everything you say is true concerning Saf and the Pt/Pd supply & demand situation, the fact that other major players have begun discussing increasing production has given the PERCEPTION of a potential equalibrium in the markets. Of course it will be years before the production comes on line as you correctly point out, but the average investor hasn't taken the time to fully investigate the matter (IMO).

Dilution in NAP's case is for mine/refining expansion with lessened borrowing and hence debt service requirements. Again, the average investor may not know this. After some thought, I have concluded that increasing the float is a smart way to raise money for NAP.

With so many battered investors, rising interest rates and margin calls, I believe NAP has been taken out and shot (unfairly) along with the other mining stocks. I still consider it a good long term play, with excellent margins. I f successful in their mine expansion, NAP could eventually produce 5% of the worlds Pd.

Good luck investing

Sleeper

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To: Sleeper who wrote (583)5/22/2000 11:29:00 AM
From: Bruce Robbins   of 976
 
Sleeper,

We do not classify as average investors <g>. I am waiting for PDL to bottom. Any idea how low it might go?

Bruce

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To: Bruce Robbins who wrote (584)5/22/2000 11:45:00 AM
From: Sleeper   of 976
 
Any idea how low it might go?

No. With the very low volume (hasn't even opened as of yet) and equity capital moving to the sidelines, my guess is lower. But having said that, there is explosive potential in NAP. If nothing else, the current Q's results with Pd around $575/oz. should be stellar.

Sleeper

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To: Bruce Robbins who wrote (582)5/22/2000 11:56:00 AM
From: Ptaskmaster   of 976
 
Bruce & Sleeper, some comments on your interesting discussion:

"...Pt and Pd do not appear to have the Central Bank and hedging/forward sales problems that gold has." The nature of the financing, for which the rumoured Swiss bank stash of Russian Pd is collateral, is unknown.

"Demand will always be high- supply rare." How about price? One view is mentioned by Neil Berhmann:

"...a recent Norilsk report contradicts Kotylar and is even more bearish about palladium than some Net Prophet panellists. Global supplies will increase and demand (at present high prices) will fall, so "there is consequently sufficient basis to assume that the price of palladium will fall to $9 per gramme ($280 an ounce)", says the report."
mips1.net 

Major's discussions give perception of equililbrium in PGM markets.- Norilsk's talk is not matched by results. Amplats must be taken seriously, but the time horizon is considerable.

"I'm looking for an equity vehicle to play with- it has to be a Pt/Pd producer.... The SAf miners like Impala and Anglo are hard to buy/sell without getting screwed by your broker. SWC is screwed up. PDL looks like the best bet, if they can get through their debt situation and expansion...."

This is right on. Amplats and Implats will not list in North America, to avoid reporting requirements and regulations. Stillwater appears to be a senior, but is really a mid-tier that acts like a junior. The other NAP shoe (and maybe a sock or two) has yet to drop. So what's an investor to do?

I'd buy shares in a heartbeat in the unlikely new company NapWater, run by Minty, listed in the US and Canada, with PDL's and SWC's current resources. Or less unlikely, in a new PGM-only royalty/fund company (PGMs R Us) trading in the US and Canada, holding equities, NSRs, metals futures and some other derivatives. (Watch the NAV and trade it like BEARX or CEF.)

Ptask

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To: Ptaskmaster who wrote (586)5/22/2000 12:14:00 PM
From: Sleeper   of 976
 
Or less unlikely, in a new PGM-only royalty/fund company (PGMs R Us) trading in the US and Canada, holding equities, NSRs, metals futures and some other derivatives. (Watch the NAV and trade it like BEARX or CEF.)

Run, perhaps by a savvy CEO named Ptaskmaster? <g>

Sleeper

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