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To: EL KABONG!!! who wrote (31210)1/5/2012 9:36:23 AM
From: Jeffrey S. Mitchell3 Recommendations   of 33179
 
Sometimes it hits you how people make money and you get sick over it. Case in point: I have a special savings account for my older son with money to use for applying to college (e.g. pay for applications, scores to be sent, visiting places, etc.). Like any account these days, it's electronic. It was therefore quite easy and convenient to use direct debit to pay each college and to transfer each score. Then I get a letter from the bank yesterday, which I just opened, that says there is some fine print for this type of account where you can only make six pre-authorized transfers, or be subject to a $15 service fee, which of course means the bank "stole" a huge sum of this college money by simply taking it from the account.

I immediately called the guy who sent the letter who said he was just the messenger and that I needed to talk to the bank manager of where I have my account. I told him screw that. I told him that if you have a regulation like that in your fine print, why the hell don't you program your on-line system to pop-up a warning that proceeding will cost you money? Heck, as the fine print actually says "pre-authorized", which the guy on the phone said means "in-person", why do you even allow electronic access to it? It's because they want people to screw up so they can gouge them.

While writing this the guy called me back to say the bank manager will compromise and give back half the money. I told him that was like asking a private to correct a mess a general had authorized. I told him to talk to someone in upper management and tell him this is why people hate banks and why the Occupy Wall St crowd began, a movement I didn't much care for but now am starting to come around to. The guy on the phone admitted this is a big problem. If you make one simple programming change the problem goes away. But, no, they *want* you to f*ck up since that's a big source of income for them. I said that this goes beyond just giving me back my money. That just helps me. I expect them to change their on-line system to protect others as well.

Supposedly a higher-up is going to call me later.

- Jeff

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To: Jeffrey S. Mitchell who wrote (31206)1/5/2012 9:40:45 AM
From: Robert F. Newton   of 33179
 
Interesting to say the least.................................

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To: Robert F. Newton who wrote (31212)1/5/2012 12:57:47 PM
From: Jeffrey S. Mitchell1 Recommendation   of 33179
 
I seriously doubt we'll actually do the reality show thing, but if we did, I'm up for it.

I just need to say one more thing, by way of anecdote. Back when I first started my software career as a computer consultant, I would run across companies who begged me to clean up the mess created by those they had hired before me. The story would be something crazy like how they just spent half a million on a firm that I in good conscience knew I could replace for just thousands, which to a young kid still felt like ripping them off. Then as I got older and these stories kept persisting, I wondered what I was doing "wrong" not to be the guy who screwed up for 10x the money I was getting to do it right. You start to realize that the knack for knowing how to squeeze money out of people had nothing to do with doing quality work. To me it was no different than saying, gee, someone dropped their bulging wallet on the floor. If I take it the money out, no one will ever know it was me. Yet alarm bells tell you not to do it.

For example, like designing programs that make it easy for people to f*ck themselves with hidden fees because you purposefully didn't put in any warnings. Or enticing people to call a number on their cell where they unknowingly get hit with a $20 access fee. Or creating SEC filings where you obfuscate your big contract came from another company you control where no real money is being exchanged. Or hyping a stock so you could dump it for a huge profit. Or mix four grades of financial paper together and label it the higher grade. I could go on.... the point being that it's really easy to make money if you don't have a moral compass. Sometimes I wish people would smash mine.

- Jeff

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To: Jeffrey S. Mitchell who wrote (31213)1/5/2012 1:11:29 PM
From: Robert F. Newton   of 33179
 
Jeff:

The bottom line is that you still have to face the man in the mirror and sounds like you live your life that way. There are many who choose not to look. Being a father makes it even more important to teach your kids that there is a right way.

I'm of the school that if you're going to screw me, make sure you do it well the first time around because you'll never get a second change.

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To: longnshort who wrote (31182)1/6/2012 9:08:55 AM
From: chowder2 Recommendations   of 33179
 
I thought you said people at Clempsun were smart! HAR! HAR! HAR! ... Well, guess what? TE Dwayne Allen, in a post game interview, revealed that he had more money and more resources than he's ever had in his life. He admitted to being paid off!!! That Dummy! And you say the screwballs at Clempsun are smart? Maybe the students, certainly not the athletes.

Read em and weep! (Okay, listen and weep!)

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To: longnshort who wrote (31182)1/6/2012 9:23:50 AM
From: chowder1 Recommendation   of 33179
 
I just watched the post-game interview with Dwayne Allen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsHMxhDhlfw&sns=em) and I have watched it several times to be sure I am about to say this correctly. The interview is just over 3 minutes in length. Just after the 1:30 mark, he said his decision on whether or not he enters the draft is not based on money. He said, "Being at Clemson, I have more money and more resources than I have ever had in my whole life." Can you speak with some donors up there and determine exactly how much money we are talking about? Is it just a few hundred thousand dollars or is it the standard, larger amount similar to that which caused the program to be placed on probation after buying…ahem…I mean winning the national championship in 1981? Is it William Perry and Perry Tuttle kind of money????

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To: chowder who wrote (31215)1/6/2012 10:06:18 AM
From: longnshort   of 33179
 
Name a smart athlete. I said Clemson athletes are smarter than South Carolina athletes, but then again a bowl of grits is smarter than a USC athlete

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To: chowder who wrote (31215)1/6/2012 10:06:21 AM
From: longnshort   of 33179
 
Name a smart athlete. I said Clemson athletes are smarter than South Carolina athletes, but then again a bowl of grits is smarter than a USC athlete

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To: longnshort who wrote (31218)1/6/2012 10:13:35 AM
From: LindyBill   of 33179
 
but then again a bowl of grits is smarter than a USC athlete

Most of these college towns, a football player can get a degree by driving through.

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To: LindyBill who wrote (31219)1/6/2012 10:19:54 AM
From: longnshort   of 33179
 
Dexter Manley got one and he couldn't read a single word. He learned to read when he was like 30 years old

"Most of these college towns, a football player can get a degree by driving through. "

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