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To: Edwarda who wrote (33622)4/3/1999 1:01:00 PM
From: E   of 108797
 
Here is another suggestion for something that may be done with a pea, from Viz Top Tips:

"Make your own matches by painting a pea red, soaking it in petrol overnight, then pronging it on the end of a cocktail stick."

G. Dawson
Bletchley

In the same spirit:

"Old shoelaces should never be thrown away. Soak them overnight in petrol, roll them in lard, then pop them in the fridge for a few hours. Hey presto. Perfect candles."

Rose Gray
Godalming

And one more petrol suggestion:

"A red balloon, full of petrol, tied to the end of a broom shank would make a perfect fairy tale giant's match."

G. Dawson
Bletchley

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To: E who wrote (33629)4/3/1999 2:54:00 PM
From: Chuzzlewit   of 108797
 
Since this is the "feelie" thread, I think it is appropriate to tell all of my friends here how much I have been moved by an outpouring of support for me when it was discovered that I had been suspended for violating an SI stricture against posting the same item on multiple threads. I am sure the suspension was rescinded in response to the outcry from friends, and friends I didn't know I had. I want to thank all of you for your kindness. I am deeply moved.

TTFN,
CTC

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To: Chuzzlewit who wrote (33630)4/3/1999 4:12:00 PM
From: E   of 108797
 
I'm so delighted, I just sent a thankyou em to Jill!

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To: nihil who wrote (33611)4/3/1999 9:02:00 PM
From: Ilaine   of 108797
 
Cool. I want a pet fox.

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To: Ilaine who wrote (33632)4/3/1999 9:03:00 PM
From: nihil   of 108797
 
Sorry, I'm afraid the scientists had to eat them all, but I'll check ...

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To: nihil who wrote (33633)4/3/1999 9:11:00 PM
From: Ilaine   of 108797
 
Please do. And while you are at it, I've always wanted a miniature pet tiger. Baby tigers are sooo adorable. The Reston petting zoo had four baby tiger cubs a few years ago, they wouldn't let us pet them but the keepers would give them their bottles just a few feet away from us. I did so want to pet one.

All we need to do is figure out a way to promote (preserve?) neotony, it works with all the other domestic animals, why not foxes and big cats?

Triple delight noodle soup calls, see ya.

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To: Chuzzlewit who wrote (33623)4/3/1999 9:30:00 PM
From: nihil   of 108797
 
'Fraid you have to hang with your original curtain. Before you chose the probability of your choice eventually being RR was .3333... After the lifting of the third curtain, the probability of your choice being right is .50. And the probability of switching to the remaining unpicked choice appears to be .5. Except -- if Monte was fair and rational (watch the name!)-- the probability of his lifting the RR curtain was 0.00. His disclosure had a probability of one after you have picked your original curtain. Of course rational greedy Monte doesn't want to give away RR's. The rotten guy would only ask you to switch if you had picked the RR. Your a priori prob of picking the RR and not having a curtain lifted was zero. The a priori probability of picking RR and having a curtain lifted was 1. Before I turned down the remaining curtain I would ask Monte if he was a follower of Ayn Rand (like Alan Greenspan)? If he said yes (he'd have to tell the truth), I'd stick with the original curtain. If he said no, I'd stick anyway, but fear the possibility that he was a decent man who would not lead me astray. If I was a beautiful woman, I'd make clear to him that I was his before the show. If I were a beautiful man, and thought that he was gay .... Anyway, you get my point. It's very rare that the probability model dictates the answer to a 3D problem.

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To: Ilaine who wrote (33634)4/3/1999 9:39:00 PM
From: nihil   of 108797
 
A few generations of selective inbreeding should do the trick to produce cute little pug-nosed, docile tigerettes. Breeding for neoteny is very easy to do. Just keep and breed the runts and the ones excluded from the teats by competition. Select females from small litters for breeding. Select non-aggressive males for breeding. Look what it did for us.

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To: Chuzzlewit who wrote (33621)4/3/1999 11:24:00 PM
From: Jacques Chitte   of 108797
 
> I think you are missing the thrust of the argument. You don't mess with the adaptive apparatus unless you
know the consequences. And the consequences of genetic engineering can be disastrous in case of mistakes.<

Chuzzlewit, I'm on top of that. I recognize that the adaptive, indeed the genetic archiving machinery is a finely-balanced mechanism. That's why I would counsel an ethical genomancer to become sovereignly proficient in reading and writing bacteria before going anywhere else. A bacterial mistake can always be dumped in a vat of Uni-Kill without a crisis of conscience. Granted, the hazard exists that the biological equivalent of the bored Melissa geek might try a new and improved hemorrhagic fever bug ... but I expect the defenses to evolve as fast as the weapons. And weaponry is not the real use of good gene science (this distinguishes it from sudden fission).

>the structure of the genetic material does not allow for structural scanning of
meaning. In other words, you need to decode the codons to decide what the primary structure of the
resultant protein molecule will do. There is simply no way around this. <

Exactly. Agreed 100%. There will be no quick fix. This is what I meant by calling current genetic science primitive. The correlation of code to genetic meaning will be a Herculean task (the stables come to mind, and these are built in arid country). This'll take the requisite centuries, even with the expected huge increments in information science, automated chemistry etc.
I guess what we have is not a difference of philosophy scientifically, but at a different, more immediately human level. We both see the sheer size of the task in truly understanding the biological machinery of even E Coli. But while you doubt that this vision will ever be attained, I see it as inevitable. We see the mountain in the haze ... one day we will climb it. And one day long after that we will build a resort there. It is our nature. My opinion ... my vision, for better or worse.
You or I won't see this done. Perhaps our grandchildren will be the beneficiaries of the first halting steps toward such science. In the meantime ... there is much to be said for "unnatural" selection by breeding, at least for species below the apes. I do not desire deliberate breeding of humans. It bears the moral stigma of eugenics and its associated ethical baggage. But more importantly (at least in my fevered skull) soon enough we will have more direct methods that will allow informed consent.

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To: nihil who wrote (33636)4/3/1999 11:47:00 PM
From: Jacques Chitte   of 108797
 
> Look what it did for us.<

Elmer Fudd? Barney?

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