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To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (108410)9/19/2005 6:52:16 PM
From: Brumar89   of 108797
 
Wow, you can ignore abundant evidence and just make up what you want to believe. Of course, there's absolutely no reason for anyone to share your conspiratorial opinions unless they have the same psychic needs to believe certain things you do. Fortunately few do.

I have a source from within the company I work for - a number of employees who live in Louisiana were involved in a voluntary rescue effort by boat. They had to break off the rescue effort off because of being fired on. This story did get into the press (a newspaper - it was not mentioned on national TV) and the people behind the story are just ordinary folks. Nothing manufactured by the "corporate owned media" there.

Frankly, I don't think the media paid near enough attention to this problem and why it existed.

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To: Grainne who wrote (108421)9/19/2005 7:03:24 PM
From: Brumar89   of 108797
 
We have medicare for the elderly, medicaid for the poor, the veterans administration, etc. - through these programs the government is already paying about 50% of the country's medical bill. Over time, the % has tended to creep up. We just got a medicare prescription bill with a Republican President and Congress.

If we could eliminate the cost of medical malpractice insurance and "defensive medicine" - unneeded tests and treatments just to prevent lawsuits in case.. - how many billions could we save? Maybe we could then have discount health care providers.

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To: Grainne who wrote (108398)9/19/2005 7:08:58 PM
From: TimF   of 108797
 

Not so hard to accomplish, but not something that would IMO be an accomplishment.

As for the money spent in Iraq it would be only a small part of what would be required to fund a national health care system.

Tim

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To: Brumar89 who wrote (108369)9/19/2005 7:10:33 PM
From: TimF   of 108797
 

Wow, that certainly is a rather extreme viewpoint.

Tim

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To: Grainne who wrote (108422)9/19/2005 7:16:31 PM
From: Ish   of 108797
 
Just got the first reports on harvest. Corn will run about 175 and beans will be about 55 bushels per acre in a year that has seen 15% of rain of a normal year. 30 years ago the yield would have been 0 with non GMO crops. I'm glad to pay Monsanto $10,000 to have a gain of $50,000 instead of a loss of $30,000.

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To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (108410)9/19/2005 11:45:07 PM
From: Alan Smithee   of 108797
 
. I personally don't believe the corporate owned media anymore. As far as I know no shots were fired at rescuers and the stories about that were planted to justify military action.,

It saddens me to think there are people out there with your POV.

What is it you have so much trouble understanding about ruthless thugs in NO shooting at rescuers?

Are you not aware that before the hurricane, NO had over 7 times the annual rate of homicides as other American Cities?

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To: Tom Clarke who wrote (108423)9/20/2005 12:03:44 AM
From: Grainne1 Recommendation   of 108797
 
I thought most literate, cultured people like yourself read at least the arts coverage in the NY Times. Perhaps not!

Most people who are extremely good at chess, especially as children, are probably very gifted intellectually. I think Bono is interesting in that regard because he doesn't have a college education (although Mrs. Bono does).

I think we have already established that Bono is no loon. Haven't we?

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To: TimF who wrote (108428)9/20/2005 12:18:19 AM
From: Grainne1 Recommendation   of 108797
 
I think societies, like individuals, accomplish the things that are a high priority for them. The U.S. under Bush seems to be a warmongering nation more than a society taking good care of its citizens, although it is possible that with the attention the poor are getting re Hurricane Katrina, that could change (for the good, I think).

Another problem with national health insurance is that there is a huge and powerful lobby against it. I think the U.S. government may be more influenced by lobbyists than the governments of the other first world nations. Medicine/pharmaceuticals have been very profitable in this country. I am not sure how you solve that problem.

I am not an expert on the way other countries set up national health insurance. Is it always totally from tax revenues, or do some of them ask individuals and/or employers to kick in?

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To: Ish who wrote (108430)9/20/2005 12:19:54 AM
From: Grainne1 Recommendation   of 108797
 
Ish, what is the relationship between GMO crops and the amount of rainfall?

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To: Brumar89 who wrote (108427)9/20/2005 12:26:01 AM
From: Grainne1 Recommendation   of 108797
 
The medicine dished out by the Veterans Administration is of very low quality, from everything I read. Medicaid covers very, very poor people. There is a huge and rapidly growing number of Americans who work who still have no health insurance. Everyone pays later as people are sicker when they finally get treatment. This is a tragedy that shouldn't occur in a first world country.

Bush's Medicare prescription benefit was badly designed from the articles I've read, and I seem to remember something about it benefiting large drug companies and at the same time being useless for quite a few Medicare recipients. This is not something I know a lot about, so please feel free to jump in and explain it to me.

How do countries with national health insurance handle malpractice suits? I agree that something needs to be done about this. At the same time, people who are damaged by medical care should have some legal recourse, with lower caps, I think.

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