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To: HighTech who wrote (33146)10/23/2001 10:38:57 PM
From: HighTech   of 39486
 
"And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." (Gal.3:29)

"Abraham's seed! Me? I thought the old Testament belonged to the Jewish people. Aren't they literally Abraham's seed and therefore heirs? ...The apostle is arguing that spiritual union with Christ, not ethnic connection with Abraham, is what identifies the heirs of God's promises."(R. Ortlund Jr.)

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To: goldworldnet who wrote (33145)10/24/2001 12:13:38 AM
From: calgal   of 39486
 
Re: George W. Bush's Personal Testimony

Thanks. It is a powerful testimony, and more of what is behing the man! I am saving that!

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To: JakeStraw who started this subject10/24/2001 12:33:07 AM
From: calgal   of 39486
 
October 24, 2001

A pervasive threat

President Bush is wise to emphasize that America is at war not with Islam, but with radical Islamic terrorists. But for the West to have the stamina to persevere in this long-term war, it must not underestimate the scope and magnitude of the enemy.

I'm not just talking about the Taliban or Osama bin Laden, because I believe we will dispatch both in relatively short order. Even if we don't, we will eventually.

But the problem is much more widespread than Afghanistan – and Iraq, for that matter. The Washington Post reports that Italian intelligence has revealed some disturbing information about the al-Qaida terrorist network. Italian investigators say that terrorists have fanned out to at least six European countries.

These terrorists are lying in wait in Italy, Germany, Spain, Britain, France and Belgium, and they have sympathizers in many other countries, including Switzerland. Italian authorities say that before Sept. 11, they "had no idea of the depth of the problem."

These people are not mere pretenders to terror either, but bona fide bin Laden trainees. Telephone wiretaps and listening devices have captured conversations about bombings and other attacks in Europe, as well as references to a "suffocating" chemical that could be placed in a tomato can.

While bin Laden is the apparent godfather of the organization, it is multinational in membership with major movements among Egyptians and Algerians. One of bin Laden's primary disciples was recorded in the bugged conversation as saying, "al-Qaida exists from Algeria to the Philippines. They're everywhere." The radicals refer to themselves as "brothers" and are energized behind bin Laden's campaign of terror against the West – Europe and America.

We know there are many sleepers still in the United States as well. But thankfully, American and European intelligence and law enforcement authorities are doing their jobs, and many of the terrorists are now in custody.

While their capture is obviously good, there is a downside. Apparently, the terrorists are feeling some urgency about launching new strikes because so many among them are being arrested. And Italian intelligence indicates that the arrested European terrorist ranks can be easily replenished with recruits.

These recruits come from various places, but one fertile breeding area is Pakistan, which has some 10,000 madrassas – religious schools where many of its young are educated. In the 1970s, these schools were radicalized to create a corps of devout Muslims who could strengthen Pakistan's position against India. According to the Village Voice, Taliban means "student," and Afghanistan's current Taliban regime came directly from Pakistan's madrassas.

Chilling words come from the leader of one of the madrassas, who is supposedly not atypical. When asked whether he would send his students to defend Afghanistan's Taliban regime, he said, "I would not send them. They would go on their own." The students nodded in affirmation, "We speak with one voice."

Daniel Pipes, director of the Middle East Forum, confirms our worst fears. He points out that Islamic leaders are afraid to denounce bin Laden because "the Muslim world is bursting with adulation for the Saudi militant." In addition to Pakistan, Pipes cites rampant pro-bin Laden sentiment in the Philippines, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Kenya, France and among the Palestinians. Pipes notes that beyond terrorism, these militants pose a danger to existing governments in mainstream Muslim countries.

Yet, as extensive as these terrorist cells are, they have been largely dependent on bin Laden for training, some financial support and specific marching orders. With our systematic campaign against bin Laden, the Taliban, the terrorist financial infrastructure and the training camps – in Afghanistan and beyond – we are severely crippling their ability to wage war.

I disagree with those who say we will falter like we did in Vietnam by losing the will to continue. This war is quite different from Vietnam in two very important respects. One is that the overwhelming majority of Americans are united behind what they believe to be a just cause. The other is that our resolve is not likely to diminish because, unlike Vietnam, this war began on our own soil, and we are under direct attack. No peace movement is going to be able to distort these realities.

The terrorists are determined to defeat us, but we are just as determined to defeat them. The more honest we are with ourselves about the threat we are up against, the more likely we are to endure and prevail.

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To: calgal who wrote (33150)10/24/2001 12:35:02 AM
From: calgal   of 39486
 
Good out of evil

Jack Kemp
October 24, 2001



In the book of Genesis, Joseph says to his evil-thinking brothers, "You meant evil against me; but God meant it for good, to bring it about that many people should be kept alive." Is it conceivable that anything good could come out of the evil of Sept. 11? The answer is yes, and I have faith that it will.

Consider this: The New York Times reported last week that Russia is stepping forward as a "new friend in need, offering its oil fields as a secure alternative to dependence on the turbulent Persian Gulf."

As I write this, President George W. Bush is in China discussing trade and world commerce with the same Chinese political leaders with whom we had only a few months ago been in direct conflict over a shoot-down of one of our surveillance planes. The president told reporters that China did not hesitate to stand with the United States against terrorism, and he went on to say that "the economic future of my nation and this region are inseparable."

I agree with former Rep. Lee Hamilton as he wrote in USA Today recently that "Out of these tragedies come new opportunities to swing the world onto a more peaceful and secure axis." It begins with countries like Qatar, devoutly Islamic but at the same time coming to understand that its very survival depends upon modernization and becoming a part of the community of nations. For us, it means finding ways to assist countries like Qatar so they feel confident enough to confront the mob in the street the way Pakistani Gen. Pervez Musharraf has done so courageously in Pakistan.

But it means more than standing down the mob in the street; it also means closing down the institutions of terror such as the "kindergartens of terror" -- the Madrassa schools -- that indoctrinate and instill hatred in young men. It means offering individuals who are currently without hope -- who otherwise fall prey to religious fanaticism -- political and economic freedom in which to practice their faith, fulfill their humanity and find it possible to tolerate the different faiths of others.

For Russia and the United States, this international war on terrorism marks the end of the Cold War. Russian President Vladimir Putin has finally cast Russia's lot with the West, and the "Westerners" have finally won out over the "Slavophiles." The emerging deal on oil is indicative of the changing relationship.

And consider the emerging bilateral effort between our two nations to control nuclear arms and to establish a new kind of global nuclear deterrence -- not only between us and them but also between the two of us and the rest of the world. The most remarkable manifestation of this historic new correlation of forces can be seen in the cooperative deployment of Russian and U.S. tactical nuclear weapons inside the territory of the former Soviet Union -- at former Soviet bases in Uzbekistan and Tajikistan -- which occurred within a few days of the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks.

Russia and the United States recognize that the greatest danger right now is Islamic fanatics getting their hands on the Pakistani nuclear arsenal. I believe Dr. Gordon Prather is correct in his recent World Net Daily column when he says, "Bush and Putin have just put certain nation-states on notice that if they can't -- or won't -- prevent their nukes from getting loose, we'll do it for them."

Even in the Middle East, where the assassination of an Israel cabinet minister has brought the region to the point of all-out war, Yasser Arafat's appointment of the respected Dr. Sari Nusseibeh to be the Palestinian Authority's chief representative in Jerusalem offers some hope.

"The average Israelis are just the same as the average Palestinians -- and just as human," he said.

He also seems to recognize that Osama bin Laden seeks to use the Palestinian-Israel conflict to his own perverted ends and not to the benefit of the Palestinian people.

"The Palestinians' real ally," he said, "is their foe Israel because both have a joint interest in building a future on these lands." This can be and must be the basis of any peace settlement between Israel and the Palestinian Authority.

On the Kemp family bulletin board -- the fridge -- my wife Joanne has a family reminder that "Problems are opportunities brilliantly disguised as insurmountable barriers." What is true for us as individuals can also be true as nations, and hopefully, we are at such a point -- no longer floundering around in search of purpose and direction in the post-Cold-War world but at a new beginning for this new millennium.




©2001 Copley News Service

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To: HighTech who wrote (33146)10/24/2001 2:13:39 AM
From: Jamey   of 39486
 
Hi Tech, I agree with you. Those who are in Christ are the spiritual seed of Abraham and the promise is to the Church. Remember, though, Christ (his temple is within your heart and not within a church building. )

Th reason I said that those who bless Israel are blessed is because in my heart of hearts I believe that Christ will honor and bless those who in remembrance of his physical presence in the Holy Land and His ministry that occurred there honor and bless Israel in remembrance of his birth, life, death and resurrection there. We honor and love our deceased loved ones at their burial place even though they are no longer present in the grave. Christ will always love the Jews and many will turn to him. We have a good example as there are those who are Messianic Jews who frequent this thread from time to time.

Santiago

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To: Jamey who wrote (33152)10/24/2001 2:24:00 AM
From: haqihana   of 39486
 
James,

I am happy that you have mentioned the fact that, the church of Jesus Christ is within the hearts, and souls, of all those that truly believe Him to be the redeeming Son of God, and call Him Lord, rather than a mere building made of brick, mortar, steel, and stone, or any particular denomination. If there were no, specific, denominations, I think there would not be so many petty issues for Christians to argue about. Let us unite in a common cause to stress that the most important tenet of Christianity, is that Christ is Lord. All else pales in comparison.

haqi

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To: Mitch Blevins who wrote (33147)10/24/2001 2:30:47 AM
From: Jamey   of 39486
 
I bet you heard Madelyn Albrights comments about Daddy Bush's failure to take out Saddam as the cause of the Sept 11 tragedy. I agree with her. Every time politicians play war they mess things up. I believe Dubya is made of stronger stuff than his daddy. Time will tell.

Play nice with there neighbors? Come on, Mitch. The PLO and Arafat are two faced, Jew haters who will not be content until either they or Israel are wiped off the face of the earth. The ONLY reason that the U.S. is playing ball with these heathen is because of Arabia's oil reserves. Its always been that way.

Arafit says they will conquer Israel through the womb of the Palestinian women. Many are living in Israel as citizens and having babies at a 9 month rate. Give it 20 years and they will have the vote. Perhaps by that time they will be more civilized.

Santiago

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To: haqihana who wrote (33153)10/24/2001 2:50:14 AM
From: Jamey   of 39486
 
Yes, so true. The Protestant movement and Martin Luther was wonderful news for the common man and a truer understanding of "saved by faith alone" Prior to that, you know the story.

Many denominations, most follow creeds of there church ahead of the truth of the Holy Word. Man's understanding would be better if they did not have preconceived notions crammed into there minds by guilt and prejudious of church creeds learned by superstituous parents teachings who they in turn were taught that way by there parents. Many are so fearful that they are afraid to question the teachings of others lest they receive God's wrath. God gave us a mind to question and to learn instead of accepting hand me down religion. God is love and justice. He wants us to know him personally. The only way to do that is to study the Bible with an open mind questioning who, what, when and where the subject matter is speaking to.

Santiago

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To: Jamey who wrote (33155)10/24/2001 2:52:53 AM
From: haqihana   of 39486
 
AMEN!!

And now to bed.

haqi

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To: haqihana who wrote (33153)10/24/2001 2:55:46 AM
From: Jamey   of 39486
 
Haqui, I forgot to mention that I heard that more and more, the non-denominational churches are gaining in attendance by leaps and bounds.

Santiago

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