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To: Whoomi Tellalie who wrote (126)10/18/1996 8:43:00 PM
From: Tim Robbins   of 3033
 
There will be some consolidation in this space, its just a matter of time.

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To: Tim Robbins who wrote (127)10/19/1996 12:11:00 AM
From: Whoomi Tellalie   of 3033
 
I don't doubt there will be some consolidation in this market segment (see my earlier posts in ATEA, CLFY, RMDY, SCOP, SWRT and VNTV threads). It's not clear to me however that there will be consolidation between the 4 leaders: CLFY, RMDY, SCOP and VNTV. I think the small fish will either die (e.g. SWRT headed for oblivion), or get consumed by the larger companies (e.g. ATEA (I think) bought out Bendata), or get bought out by new entrants who think they can buy their way in (McAfee and Vycor).

So, I repeat my earlier question: what's a reasonable basis for assuming Remedy would merge with CLFY, SCOP or VNTV? Now, Remedy and Inference I can see happening because they are good in the other's weakness (Remedy could use some real problem resolution, Inference some real problem tracking). But Remedy and CLFY, SCOP or VNTV? I don't think so.

Rational dissent invited. Even encouraged.

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To: Whoomi Tellalie who wrote (126)10/19/1996 12:34:00 AM
From: Warren Gates   of 3033
 
SCOPUS, VANTIVE, and CLARIFY are direct competitors ... REMEDY's product overlap with their products to a certain degree, but is like in a subniche of this sector ... It would make sense for SCOP, VANTIVE, or CLARIFY to seek the strength of REMEDY's dominant position in the internal help desk segment ... It would also make sense for REMEDY to just merge with one of them instead of extending its reach on its own to the external customer service ...

In a couple of years, I foresee an ORACLE, INFORMIX, SYBASE scenario where you have a real dominant force, and 2 vying for second ...

Now, if Peoplesoft gets involved, that's a different story

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To: Warren Gates who wrote (129)10/19/1996 8:39:00 AM
From: Joe See   of 3033
 
Warren, Why would the situation be any different if Peoplesoft got involved ? Thanks, Joe

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To: Joe See who wrote (130)10/19/1996 9:48:00 AM
From: Warren Gates   of 3033
 
It seems to me that Peoplesoft is trying to get real big ... and since their forte are client-server applications that deal in day-to-day personal relations, they might be eyeing one the 3 (Scopus, Vantive or Clarify) ... if they get involved, they might trigger a much bigger consolidation ... remember how Microsoft dominated the PC applications industry ...

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To: bluepilot5 who wrote ()10/19/1996 12:34:00 PM
From: David Yuan   of 3033
 
To all: Any comment on the following news?

Dakin Securities analyst Ed Bierdeman, who covers Vantive, called today's reaction to the company's conference call overdone.
Even sequentially flat revenues from the third quarter to the fourth and first quarters will mean 100% or greater year- over-year growth, he said. Bierdeman said the company's third-quarter revenue gain will lead him to raise his fourth-quarter revenue estimate to between $17.2 million and $17.5 million from $15.5 million.
Vantive posted revenue of $17.2 million in the third quarter, compared with $6.6 million a year ago and $15.2 million in the second quarter.
The company is experiencing ''fantastic'' growth, he said.

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To: Warren Gates who wrote (129)10/19/1996 1:38:00 PM
From: Whoomi Tellalie   of 3033
 
I'm hearing more wishful thinking than reasoning.

CLFY, SCOP and VNTV all have help desk products. For the most part there is little functional difference between internal and external product support. Help Desks may need some additional functionality (e.g. Asset tracking and management), but the actual problem resolution, tracking, and account management functions are essentially similar.

I can see where RMDY may want to merge with one of the three to get market share in the external product support market (rather than build its own) but I don't really see the three falling over themselves to merge with Remedy to get into the internal help desk segment. As a practical matter, it is easier to get a customer who already has the external support product to buy the help-desk product, than the other way around. This is because the external support group is usually independent of the IS group, and will often get a tracking application before the help-desk. (Steven Farber, feel free to jump in here with your sales experience). In any event, there is sufficient difference between Remedy's approach and that of the others that there would be little product synergy if there was to be a merger.

The three are all positioning themselves as "enterprise-wide client-server customer information-asset management systems" (my coinage, thank you very much). This is why they all have (or are acquiring) functionality like sales force automation, and logistics.

"Pure-play" players in other client-server functionality are probably going to look to acquire some customer information-asset management functionality themselves, so as to offer a complete solution. Aurum does this, Siebel will probably get into this, and this is why I agree with you that Peoplesoft may get involved. After all they just purchased a supply chain management company (now there's synergy with HRIS functionality *(#)&*(%@*(!&*?).

I agree there is a potential for a scenario similar to that in the database server market, with three main players and a handful of wanna-bes. However I'm not sure there will be as clear a #1 as Oracle.

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To: bluepilot5 who wrote ()10/20/1996 9:27:00 PM
From: Karim Pirani   of 3033
 
To All:

All Quiet on the Vantive Front...?...

KP

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To: David Yuan who wrote (132)10/20/1996 10:31:00 PM
From: Warren Gates   of 3033
 
I will be concerned a lot if Vantive is in an industry that's already matured ... like when Bay started showing flat quarters ...
I won't be surprised if institutions take this opportunity to accumulate more shares in this emerging sector that promises to be one of the more long-term trends in the software industry ...

The other thing that's good in the software industry are the very high gross margins ... we also have to remember that a big chunk of the revenue comes from consulting service which tends to grow slower than the license revenues

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To: junjun dator who wrote (125)10/21/1996 3:13:00 PM
From: Shege Dambanza   of 3033
 
Has Luongo had his minute of CNBC fame? What did he say? WSJ today said pretty much what's already been discussed in this group.

If Luongo's already done the CNBC interview (~noon PDT), then it hasn't had much positive effect: stock's down $2+ on the day. Then again, so are RMDY and SCOP. CLFY has gone up $2+.

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