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To: Urlman who wrote (45261)6/18/2005 4:06:55 PM
From: Win-Lose-Draw   of 154275
 
Uh...what?

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To: Doren who wrote (45220)6/18/2005 6:18:38 PM
From: Jeff Hayden   of 154275
 
Early adopter question: How is Tiger? Is it really a must have upgrade? Why?

C'mon now. We need an impartial critique! Be fair


I've had your question in the back of my mind for a while, so I thought I'd give my take on Tiger.

I've had Tiger since the day it came out - I was impressed, or maybe I should say dazzled by it at first. I had an inkling that my first impressions may not live-up to the reality of the new system's capabilities as I was clueless as to how to make the new features work.

Dashboard - I thought this was just toy trinkets for the Desktop - it's beginning to actually become useful as new widgets come out. I really like the new Google Map and several others. I actually use them - I didn't think I would.

Automator is not very useful, yet. I've tinkered with it, but when other applications, particularly Office, implement Automator scripting, it will be possible for many people to do scripting. AppleScript is too difficult for most people to use. BTW, Automator can run AppleScripts that you may already have.

Spotlight - This will change your relationship to your computer, slowly. It is extremely powerful yet difficult to control. Apple needs to keep upgrading the human interface. Spotlight finds too much stuff on your search terms - so it will take a lot of practice writing search terms and selecting searching schemes to get more directly to the file you want.

Spotlight works throughout the system: from the menu bar, in the Finder folder windows, in Mail, in System Preferences, in the File Open Window, etc.

You get a few other nice things like a fast Safari (but you need to kill the cache), A new Mail application, QuickTime 7 and a new iChat.

You have to practice to become a power user of Spotlight; and you can't practice until you are running Tiger. For this reason alone, I recommend getting Tiger as soon as you can.

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To: Win-Lose-Draw who wrote (45259)6/18/2005 10:54:11 PM
From: Cogito   of 154275
 
WLD -

Even if there are "real" leaked x86 Tiger builds available, where are you going to get hardware drivers? I mean, if your PC isn't configured exactly the way the Developers' Mactels are, you're going to have some problems with installation.

- Allen

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To: HerbVic who wrote (45260)6/18/2005 11:05:05 PM
From: Cogito   of 154275
 
>> With the distinctly different operating systems now running on the same core processing, it would be foolish of any third party software company to develop in isolation for Windows only. The additional revenue from selling into the alternate OS would be easy pickings.<<

HV -

The fact that Macs will use Intel processors doesn't mean that it will suddenly become easy to develop software for both Windows and OS X simultaneously. The software environments are still very different.

The easiest way to develop apps for both PPC and Intel Macs is to use Xcode. But Xcode doesn't allow you to develop for Windows.

- Allen

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To: Jeff Hayden who wrote (45263)6/18/2005 11:11:26 PM
From: Doren   of 154275
 
The consensus seems to be split between those who think it's great and those who think it's not so great:

forums.dealmac.com 

I'd say if this unscientific poll is any indication about 50% of Mac users are going to try to stick it out with Panther and existing systems.

Personally I don't have a need for it so I'll probably try to hold on to my Quicksilver and stick with Panther. It works fine. I'm sick of upgrading. The next upgrade I do will be to a second generation Mactel machine or a used G5. Any discretionary money I have will probably go to other types of technology. I may upgrade my PC instead.

I have no problem finding files. What I do have a problem with is duplicate files. What I really want is software that would help me merge all my files onto one partition without duplicating and keeping the latest versions of all of them so that I can redo my alternate harddrive. I guess one of these days I'll set up a raid mirror.

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To: Doren who wrote (45266)6/18/2005 11:54:34 PM
From: Jeff Hayden   of 154275
 
I have no problem finding files. What I do have a problem with is duplicate files. What I really want is software that would help me merge all my files onto one partition without duplicating and keeping the latest versions of all of them so that I can redo my alternate harddrive. I guess one of these days I'll set up a raid mirror.

Spotlight will do both of those tasks very well. It finds all duplicates any time you search on the file title and keeps them together even if they reside on different drives. You can delete the ones you don't want right from the Spotlight search results.

Spotlight can also maintain the latest of everything you've worked on over the last however many days (selectable) in a smart folder that continually captures the latest version of any file as you change it - you don't need to worry about what partition any file is on. In fact, partitions become meaningless as far as file handling is concerned.

It's really kind of hard to explain everything Spotlight does, but it searches, and collects data in almost any fashion you can dream-up.

I can see that smart folders could completely replace all older folders on your machine - and different Smart folders can capture the same file many different ways, depending on the contents of the file, the file name, the Spotlight comments...

Like I said before, you should get Tiger just to learn Spotlight. You're going to kick yourself later when you finally do get an OS that has it. Mark my words - you will be saying, why the hell didn't I get this earlier?

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To: Cogito who wrote (45265)6/18/2005 11:58:55 PM
From: HerbVic   of 154275
 
You're quite right, Allen. I may be projecting too much into my assumptions concerning software developers. However, I was trying to focus on the transition of the industry over the next several years. With that in mind, it seems likely that the ability to cross develop for both operating systems will get much easier than it is today, and certainly easier than it was for differing hardware+software. Keep in mind that a lot of the code that never makes it to the Mac is of the high processor demand type which requires significant optimizing. It is that part of development that I had in mind with the statement "easy pickings."

Herb

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To: Cogito who wrote (45264)6/19/2005 12:04:20 AM
From: Win-Lose-Draw   of 154275
 
I take it you don't have much familiarity with wild and woolly x86 parts market...you are raising a total non-issue.

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To: HerbVic who wrote (45268)6/19/2005 12:09:19 AM
From: Win-Lose-Draw   of 154275
 
Cross-developing is Old School. Once the hardware platform is standardized, there is no (non-legal) reason at all one binary can't be run over multiple OSes.

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To: Win-Lose-Draw who wrote (45270)6/19/2005 12:42:56 AM
From: Jeff Hayden   of 154275
 
Once the hardware platform is standardized, there is no (non-legal) reason at all one binary can't be run over multiple OSes

Why do you think the hardware platforms are going to be standardized?

Even if the platforms were identical, how is a binary Windows application going to know that it should communicate through Quartz Extreme and use the graphics card for graphics calculations if it wants to draw to a Mac OS-controlled display? The Mac OS will not know what to do when a Windows application requests something of the system. The same is true of using core audio, core video.

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