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To: sylvester80 who wrote (28)5/18/2012 9:27:41 AM
From: Lahcim Leinad   of 157
 
Doesn't seem like bad news for Nokia, though. Possibly the contrary, given Windows phones are cheap and perfectly satisfactory.

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To: Lahcim Leinad who wrote (29)5/18/2012 12:58:32 PM
From: sylvester802 Recommendations   of 157
 
If you remove the hidden subsidies and customers see the price they'll have to pay for the iPhone, Windows phone and Android, the iPhone will lose every time. So either Apple will have to do with lower margins by lowering the price of the iPhone (stock price implodes), or they will lose massive market share and their growth disappears (stock price implodes). No matter how you slice it, the carriers are fighting back from Apple's extortion on their high subsidies. Android and Windows Phone should be the big winners if the subsidies are removed.

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To: sylvester80 who wrote (30)5/18/2012 1:27:00 PM
From: Lahcim Leinad   of 157
 
Android and Windows Phone should be the big winners if the subsidies are removed.
I'm with Ralph de la Vega on that:
AT&T Mobility CEO Ralph de la Vega suggests the Windows Phone platform may see a significant boost from Microsoft's Windows 8 OS when it arrives on the market. Speaking at the JP Morgan technology conference, the executive noted that he was "very upbeat about what they are bringing to the market."

"When they come out with Windows 8 in the fourth quarter, I think it will actually add to the value that that OS brings to the marketplace," said de la Vega. "In that that will be the first time that you can truly have a similar experience on your PC, on your table, and on your smartphone from Microsoft."

Read more: electronista.com 

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To: sylvester80 who wrote (30)5/18/2012 2:31:26 PM
From: ChrisGillette   of 157
 
<<If you remove the hidden subsidies and customers see the price they'll have to pay for the iPhone, Windows phone and Android, the iPhone will lose every time>>


Why isn't this already the case? I recall in the old days (10 years ago?), I could buy a phone for -$200. Basically, companies like T-Mobile were paying customers to sign up for a 12-month contract and to opt for a lower-priced phone.

Today, it seems to go something like this (actual numbers could be wrong....just trying to show concept):
* Full cost of iPhone: $600. Discounted price: $200 (i.e., carrier is offering $400 subsidy)
* Full cost of cheaper alternative: $300. Discounted price $100 (i.e., carrier is offering $200 subsidy)

If the carrier wanted to, it could offer a negatively-priced phone by offering the same $400 subsidy given to the iPhone. For whatever reason, carriers are opting not to do this. And to the extent that carriers continue to offer more generous subsidies for the iPhone, most consumers will likely choose the iPhone (If I'm paying essentially the same price after discount, I might as well get the iPhone since it has more apps, better brand name, etc)

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To: sylvester80 who wrote (26)5/18/2012 4:19:55 PM
From: Lahcim Leinad   of 157
 
First green NOK close in six trading days.

Cheers! :-)


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From: sylvester805/19/2012 12:39:35 AM
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No Longer Negative On Nokia
seekingalpha.com 
May 18, 2012 | 26 comments | about: NOK, includes: AAPL, GOOG, MSFT

Before the last Nokia ( NOK) earnings report, I wrote I was turning negative on Nokia because the fast implosion of Symbian could not possibly be compensated by the rise of the Microsoft ( MSFT) Windows Phone-based Lumia smart phones. I also said that a glut in smart phones and the emergence of cheap Google ( GOOG) Android phones was going to make this trend away from feature phones harsher still. This was in evidence when Nokia reported horrendous earnings. After those earnings, I reiterated that I remained negative. That the path after those earnings was more likely down than up. That too came to pass.

I am writing today, though, to say I am no longer negative. It's not that I don't expect further deterioration. I do expect that deterioration in Nokia's feature phone division. But at the same time, we should now start seeing Lumia gaining critical mass. And as a result, instead of Nokia always showing lower market share in smart phones, it's quite possible that it will start reporting rising market share. Given where Nokia trades ($2.85), that should be enough for the market to overlook further deterioration. Also, looking forward Nokia will have a couple of things going for it:

One is that it clearly still knows how to make phones, so when Windows Phone Apollo removes the hardware shackles, it's likely that Nokia will manage to build a competitive super phone;Another, is that the Windows Phone still looks quite distinctive. Even Steve Wozniak, an Apple ( AAPL) co-founder, said as much. There seems to be reason to believe that Android is completely lacking brand appeal. This is important, because it means Windows Phone can clearly conquer a decent share of the market, under that circumstance, especially with the planned onslaught of Windows 8 devices.Conclusion

It no longer makes sense to remain negative on Nokia. Although the news flow on feature phones is sure to remain negative, the news flow on smart phones - what really matters - is bound to turn positive. While I'm not prepared to say Nokia is a buy here, it no longer looks like something to avoid. Maybe for those of a more speculative bent, it could even be a buy. The problem with the smart phone glut, though, remains.

Disclosure: I have no positions in any stocks mentioned, but may initiate a long position in NOK over the next 72 hours.

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To: ChrisGillette who wrote (32)5/19/2012 12:41:54 AM
From: sylvester80   of 157
 
For the first time, 2 of my friends in the UK, die hard iPhone users, have placed pre-orders for the Galaxy S3... the Galaxy S3 has the making of becoming the biggest selling superphone out there ever...this is INGREDIBLE!!!

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To: ChrisGillette who wrote (32)5/19/2012 12:42:48 AM
From: sylvester80   of 157
 
BREAKING..Samsung Galaxy S3 Pre-Orders Reach 9 Million – Factories Running At Full Capacity
phandroid.com 

And remember...These are just pre-orders... AMAZING!!!!!

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To: ChrisGillette who wrote (32)5/19/2012 12:43:32 AM
From: sylvester80   of 157
 
If you remove the subsidies, Apple is toast....

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From: sylvester805/19/2012 12:47:59 AM
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Nokia: Windows Phone Success In China Should Not Be Ignored
May 18, 2012 | 17 comments | about: NOK, includes: AAPL, MSFT
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Lately some good news regarding Nokia ( NOK) came from China, however we failed to see this news in American media. Michel van der Bel, COO of the Greater China Region for Microsoft ( MSFT) recently announced thatWindows phones reached a market share of 7% in the country where Apple's ( AAPL) iPhone only enjoys a market share of 6%. Considering that Nokia's Lumia was launched in China very recently - less than a full quarter - this looks and smells like success to me. Similar news also came from Russia. Additionally, the phones reached a market share of 6% in Germany. Outside of the U.S., Nokia still has a great brand name and the company is still recognized as one of the best mobile phone companies in the world.

China is a huge market with a growing middle class, and Nokia's success in China will translate into the company's turnaround. As I mentioned in my previous Nokia articles, all Nokia has to do is to stop burning through cash and generate a positive cash flow. If Nokia's success in China continues, this will be very possible. Of course, Apple will continue to grow its market share in the country, especially after it reaches an agreement with China Mobile, the country's largest mobile phone network with near 1 billion members.

Currently Android has 69% of the market share in China, which means there is plenty of room for both iPhone and Windows Phones to grow. The Chinese are used to using Android, so it may take them a while to get used to these two systems. According to Mr. Van Der Bel, Microsoft is ready to increase its investments in China, particularly those related to R&D.

As Windows Phone gains market share in China, Microsoft will throw more and more money in the phone in order to see its further success. We can be sure that as long as there is some demand for Nokia phones, Microsoft will back the company up fully. From the looks of it, Microsoft is deeply committed in this partnership.

I noticed on Seeking Alpha and many other financial sites that some people believe that Microsoft is paying Nokia to build Windows Phones. The fact is, Microsoft and Nokia are partnering to build a phone and the operating system that goes with the phone. This is not a relationship where Microsoft outsources phone building to Nokia; this is a relationship where two companies are on equal grounds and working together to accomplish the same goal.

I believe that Nokia will turn to profitability in the third quarter of this year. Patient investors of Nokia will be rewarded handsomely.

Disclosure: I am long NOK, AAPL, MSFT.

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