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To: grahamcracker who wrote (976)5/2/2012 2:51:16 PM
From: batman100231 Recommendation   of 1876
 
share repurchases don't get capital out of the company, dividends do.

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To: batman10023 who wrote (978)5/2/2012 3:48:17 PM
From: grahamcracker   of 1876
 
<<...share repurchases don't get capital out of the company >>

Huh?

Credit cash and debit Treasury Stock which is a contra-equity account, right? Capital gone and duly accounted for. You don't carry purchases of your own stock on the balance sheet as an asset.

What am I missing?

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To: grahamcracker who wrote (979)5/2/2012 4:16:39 PM
From: batman100232 Recommendations   of 1876
 
the premise is that the company is going broke eventually. let's say 10 years down the road.

be better to give your shareholders 50 cents a share until then and perhaps they break even on the purchases today.

versus just buying back the shares leaves the bagholders who stick around footing the entire bill for the losses.

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To: batman10023 who wrote (980)5/2/2012 5:42:42 PM
From: grahamcracker   of 1876
 
Your approach makes little sense to me.

If the premise is they're going bk, then they should liquidate now and return it all to me now when I'll get the greatest present value for the net assets.

If they're going broke there ain't gonna be no 50c per share for 10 years, it'll be 50c per share for 10 minutes.
My premise is that they're not going broke so long as they don't hand out all the cash in some silly display of pretend confidence in an immediate undoing of what is a temporary situation, albeit one that could drag on for some time. The key to surviving tough spots is to surviveand you do that by conserving cash, not huffing and puffing.

The other thing is that although it's not my thesis, there's absolutely nothing wrong with stubbornly holding value as best you can as a potential purchase target. I don't know who, when or where but building out a brick and mortar presence to match theirs would be a very expensive endeavor versus just plain buying a nationwide presence.

IMO, they may not even have to do anything if someone knocks apple off its perch.

At any rate, we shall see, we shall see. I obviously didn't get the memo on buy and hold being dead.




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From: bankbuyer5/2/2012 5:50:48 PM
1 Recommendation   of 1876
 
RSH thoughts .

The Ackmann types could be getting in.

It likely bottoms via a morning PR/Sec filing and gap up, IF it bottoms.

They have started a new marketing program, fine but I would have made some merchandise adjustments first

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To: bankbuyer who wrote (982)5/2/2012 6:02:40 PM
From: batman100231 Recommendation   of 1876
 
why do you think they would get involved in this name?

what's to unlock? is it the advertising spending?

if mr day left that tells you it's a hard one to turn around.

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To: bankbuyer who wrote (982)5/2/2012 6:08:20 PM
From: Covenant   of 1876
 
Ackman likes hidden real estate value plays in retail. This isn't it.

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To: Covenant who wrote (984)5/2/2012 6:19:07 PM
From: bankbuyer3 Recommendations   of 1876
 
Re Just general RSH observations .

An activist type is one catalyst as after reading the last CC transcript, I dont think mgmt is getting it.

Owned RE is obviously an easy retail catalyst, under market leases are another not that RSH qualifies.

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To: batman10023 who wrote (983)5/2/2012 6:40:14 PM
From: Covenant   of 1876
 
RSH either turns arund or doesn't. I can't see any strategic acquirer, nor are there hidden assets. It all boils down to operations. Private equity and their turnarund expertise would become interested at low enough of a price, but low price doesn't do anything for shareholders.

Management is not of the calibre which is held up as positive role models in management texts.

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From: bankbuyer5/2/2012 6:48:19 PM
   of 1876
 
ALSK un-turnarund .

Another trader stopped out

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