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To: Trader J who wrote (562)5/21/2012 6:23:13 PM
From: i-node2 Recommendations   of 1272
 
It is safe to assume there are no immediate plans for charging a subscription fee:



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To: Doren who wrote (554)5/21/2012 6:30:44 PM
From: Sr K   of 1272
 
There are sites I'm registered for where I never log in, or almost never log in.

I won't pay the nytimes because they're unfair. And they paid about $25,000,000 to the departed ex-CEO who they pushed out.

I want to see my page visits count and know when my free month ends. If I paid $15/4 weeks, I'd set myself up to pay 10 or 20 times $195 and annual "adjustments".

They have to break the price or tier it so that "olds" after 12 or 24 hours is much less than "news". And Associated Press stories cannot count the same as New York Times -staff or -owned content.

Other sites break the price and almost all businesses do, so they are just trying to see what the market will bear.

Fair to me would be about $39 per year excluding the first 6 hours after publication or posting. A url you save to read later should be readable for years if you want to go back to it; and if the base pricing is fair, I would pay an archive fee for stuff older than xx months for which I've saved the url.

If they got 50,000,000 subscribers to pay $39 per year and 500,000 to pay the $195 per year, they'd never raise the low-price tier (and they might lower it or set a more-delayed and lower rate).

The NYT market cap is $926 million.

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They probably pay Apple and Amazon 30% for subscribers they bring in, but that doesn't mean I accept a higher price structure. I want it less when there's a sales agent getting in the way when I already want it. It should be enough that they can sell targeted advertising to try to sell me stuff I don't want or don't know I want. They should pay me to delay loading the page I click to read.

Load the advertisements in idle time, after the news loads.

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To: Sr K who wrote (564)5/21/2012 6:46:46 PM
From: i-node   of 1272
 
They don't want to do anything that will limit membership. Because new members beget more new members. The reason the are approaching a billion is because they don't charge. Even a small subscription fee would see half or more of these people leave.

Another company who went the route of charging a fee is classmates.com, and I don't know of anyone who even goes there and I doubt most people have even heard of them in the last few years.

If FB is going to grow they're going to have to use the data. For something.

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To: i-node who wrote (565)5/21/2012 6:50:29 PM
From: Win-Lose-Draw   of 1272
 
Classmates.com was really onto something. But the fee structure was silly, and drove people away. My 30th HS reunion is now being organized on FB instead.

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To: Sr K who wrote (564)5/21/2012 6:52:27 PM
From: Glenn Petersen2 Recommendations   of 1272
 
You can generally circumvent the New York Times pay wall (if you are so inclined) through Twitter. Just copy the the title of the article and paste it into Twitter's search function. When you access NYT articles through Twitter it does not count against your monthly allotment. You can also access the articles (though not always) through Google News and many of the aggregation websites such as Techmeme and its affiliated (Mediagazer and Memorandum).

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To: Win-Lose-Draw who wrote (566)5/21/2012 7:03:27 PM
From: i-node   of 1272
 
>> Classmates.com was really onto something. But the fee structure was silly, and drove people away. My 30th HS reunion is now being organized on FB instead.

Right. As is my 40th. Which is at least one thing that will keep me off Facebook until it is over ;)

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To: i-node who wrote (568)5/21/2012 7:26:36 PM
From: Win-Lose-Draw1 Recommendation   of 1272
 
As is my 40th. Which is at least one thing that will keep me off Facebook until it is over ;)


:)


I get that, I really do.

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To: Glenn Petersen who wrote (558)5/21/2012 7:34:29 PM
From: Kirk ©2 Recommendations   of 1272
 
Good article.

"So, a fair price for Facebook might be between $16-$24. "

I did a completely different analysis last week and arrived at the same price:

18 May Amanda Drury ?@MandyCNBC
Facebook now below $39...up just over 2%

Kirk Lindstrom ?@KirkLindstrom

@MandyCNBC It was SO Hyped and CA is depending on it for tax revenue. I may put in a bid for shares at $20 now and see what happens.

twitter.com 


I usually look for a significant discount to what the last round of equity financing paid per share....

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To: Glenn Petersen who wrote (567)5/21/2012 11:09:53 PM
From: LindyBill   of 1272
 
Just post the URL here and "click public." then open the article and copy it. click edit here and post the article above the URL.

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From: LindyBill5/21/2012 11:11:22 PM
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As Facebook’s Stock Struggles, Fingers Start PointingBy MICHAEL J. DE LA MERCED, EVELYN M. RUSLI and SUSANNE CRAIG

Richard Drew/Associated Press Facebook‘s stock is tumbling well below its $38 I.P.O. price.
Wall Street is playing the Facebook blame game.

As shares of the social network tumbled in their second day of trading, bankers, investors and analysts wondered what had gone wrong with the initial public offering of Facebook, the most highly anticipated technology debut in years.

Some fingers are pointing at Morgan Stanley, the lead banker on the I.P.O., while others criticize Nasdaq and even Facebook itself. In the aftermath, critics contend that Facebook’s offering price was too high and too many shares were sold to the public, hurting the stock’s performance out of the gate.

Facebook’s troubles could damp enthusiasm for a spate of companies set to go public in the coming months. It could also spur changes in the I.P.O. process. In particular, big institutional investors like Fidelity and Vanguard may demand greater say on pricing, at the expense of companies and their bankers.

“It’s a huge disappointment,” David J. Abella, a portfolio manager at Rochdale Investment Management who tried to get shares in the offering but did not get an allocation. “Investors were expecting easy money on this one.”

Facebook was promoted as the next Google, a technology star primed to soar.

But the stock stumbled in its debut on Friday. A systems error at the Nasdaq, where shares of Facebook are listed, hampered trading in the first few hours. With the company hovering around its offering price of $38 a share, Morgan Stanley had to step in to help stabilize the price. Facebook shares ended the day almost at the same place they started.

While bankers may have hoped that Facebook would bounce back on Monday, unfettered by technical problems, such optimism faded as the stock sank. It tumbled 11 percent, closing at $34.03.

For Morgan Stanley, landing the Facebook public offering was one of the biggest investment banking coups in almost a decade, and a successful debut would most likely have cemented its position as the dominant force in technology I.P.O.s. But Morgan Stanley now faces questions about its role in the events surrounding Facebook.

It is an unusual situation for the bank to find itself in. In the last year, it led the biggest technology offerings, including those of LinkedIn, Groupon and Zynga. The activity has been lucrative for the firm, with the Facebook I.P.O. alone bringing in an estimated $67.8 million, according to Standard & Poor’s Capital IQ.

But the firm has also gained a reputation for being guarded. A number of bankers involved in the Facebook I.P.O. and other offerings have said Morgan Stanley makes decisions with little input from other underwriters. Rivals involved in the Facebook underwriting process say that Morgan Stanley exerted an enormous amount of control over important aspects of the process, including dominating meetings with institutional shareholders.

These bankers also say that Morgan Stanley bankers and Facebook executives ignored some input about pricing. Amid rising investor demand before the I.P.O., Morgan Stanley contacted other bankers to discuss raising the offering price as high as $38 a share, up from the original estimates of $28 to $35 a share.

Some of the firms resisted, arguing that the company’s fundamentals did not justify a higher valuation, according to people with knowledge of the talks. The rival bankers also worried that the outsize demand was being driven by retail investors, a more fickle constituency. But others involved in the underwriting say that Morgan Stanley and other advisers held thousands of conversations with potential investors on what was a fair level, and that the $38 price was justified.

For Morgan Stanley, one of the main goals was to avoid an enormous “pop” in the first day of trading, a sign that an offering may have been priced too low. LinkedIn, for instance, nearly doubled in its first day of trading. Generally, bankers favor a more modest rise, say 10 percent, balancing the needs of both new investors who want big gains and current insiders who do not want to leave money on the table.

“The range and the size of Facebook’s offering was not increased through careful observation by Morgan Stanley and its underwriters,” said Nick Zaharias an independent consultant, who advises institutional investors. “It seems like Morgan Stanley lost control of the process.”

But much of the frustration with the I.P.O. process did not boil over until Friday morning. When Nasdaq started determining Facebook’s opening price, the exchange’s systems were quickly overwhelmed by enormous demand from investors. Trading in the company was delayed by a half-hour, to 11:30 a.m. But many trade confirmations were not sent out until at least 1:50 p.m., meaning that many investors were flying blind.

To several bankers, that was a recipe for disaster. As the lead underwriter and stabilization agent, Morgan Stanley was obligated to steady the trading in Facebook stock should it falter. The firm’s traders bought an estimated 30 million to 40 million shares at $38 that day, hoping to prevent the stock from breaking below the offer price, according to people involved in the process.

That exercising of the overallotment option, known as the “green shoe” in Wall Street parlance, normally succeeds in keeping a stock from veering too far from the offer price.

But the defense mechanism is unlikely to prove effective for long, given the size of Facebook’s offering and the heavy trading. Morgan Stanley had just 63 million shares to exercise. By comparison, more than more than 571 million Facebook shares changed hands on Friday and 168 million on Monday.

“It is like fighting a war with a water gun, it wasn’t that effective,” one banker involved in the underwriting process said.

Investors also had to digest a string of troubling news items that recently emerged. A week before its debut, Facebook revised its prospectus, highlighting the challenge of making money in mobile communications. Then, on May 15, General Motors, one of the country’s largest advertisers, said it was withdrawing its $10 million Facebook ad budget.

Some institutional investors were also surprised by the size of their allocations, expecting to get far fewer shares. In the process of jockeying for I.P.O. shares, investors will typically ask for a large block, even if they expect to only receive a fraction.

“We got more shares than we expected, which spooked us,” said one portfolio manager, who spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of upsetting Facebook’s underwriters. Concerned that the size of its allocation implied a lack of broad investor support, the manager sold all of the firm’s Facebook’s shares on Friday. “If it was truly a hot, hot deal, we would have gotten less.”

Facebook’s disappointing debut may not bode well for other I.P.O.’s. There are dozens of public offerings in the pipeline, according to Thomson Reuters, including some well-known names like Michaels Stores and Shutterstock, an online stock photography service.

Institutional investors like Fidelity Management, burned by Facebook’s tumble, may drive a harder bargain in the future.

Still, the final story for Facebook’s stock has yet to be written. Amazon.com quickly tumbled after making its public market debut in May 1997, trading well below its offer price of $18 a share for several months. A year after the I.P.O., Amazon had roughly quadrupled, and on Monday the shares closed at $218.11.




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