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To: E. Charters who wrote (315)	12/6/2011 10:39:24 AM
From: Whaspe	4 Recommendations of 5042

You esteem an open mind? What a joke. You've just confessed to being a crotchety old crank, who has nothing better to do than insult people on a message board who happen to see the world from a much better vantage point than yourself. Getting back to the comments on acid, the amount of acid required is not just simply a balance sheet between numbers of metal ions and chloride. In fact, the chloride ion is a very weak base and is typically completely dissociated in water. Both temperature and pressure have an impact on the reaction and equilibrium of the resulting solution. The reaction of Orbite's clay with hydrochloric acid is an exothermic reaction that is carried out under conditions of controlled temperature and pressure. So as I said, your assumptions are overly conservative here.

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To: NOW who wrote (319)	12/6/2011 3:53:55 PM
From: E. Charters	1 Recommendation of 5042

Well this is not the forum to discuss it, but many people are apparently laughably ignorant. Not that this isn't right as rain generally, but apparently many intelligent and thoughtful people are laughably ignorant. Some of those people, no, many of them, are doctors. If you want to meet some they will share with you the benefit of their many years of practice and experience with the system, from which they get 10% o the money spent. Where does the rest go? Do you recall some recent governments telling you they were cracking down on overcharging physicians? Well the tragic truth is most of them don't get enough money to run their practices and cannot afford the time to do simple centrifuges and blood tests in their office, which would save diagnostic time. I take it from physicians who tell me, and people who went to the states to get medical work done, etc. I just don't pull this stuff out of my keister. And I have listened to physicians with interest on medicare since 1963. Why do you think Canadian doctors left for the states in the 60's and 70's? Why do you think there is a chronic shortage of nurses and physicians in this country? Why do you think all the taxes BC collects cannot pay for their own medicare? Back in the 60's when medicine was supposed to be so out of reach, EVERYBODY had a family doctor! There were plenty of doctors. Today even the government admits there is a shortage of skilled medical practicioners. Why, pray tell? Shortage of MRI's. Long wait times. Lack of emergency care. People dying in ambulances as they went from hospital to hospital. That sort of thing does not even happen in eastern Europe. In fact NEVER happened in the poorest countries in Europe. Not even in Cuba. Mexico. It happened a lot in Toronto. I never thought I would take this tack in an argument, but anyone who takes the government line on way too expensive medicare is tragically misinformed. Wilfully blind and quite frankly, probably a fat cat or a government employee. I know you CANNOT be a doctor. You cannot be a patient who has come through a difficult diagnosis. I doubt anyone in your family has ever been a Cancer patient. Of course this sort of argument is unfair and assumptive. Totally wrong on an individual basis, but generally it serves to illustrate what I am trying to say. People who have been paid by this system or treated by this system have been shortchanged. A lot of people know it first hand. What about the stats? People compare it to the worst things wrong with the States. Again unfair. The system should measure up to either better socialized medicine or a theoretical but achievable system which we could implement and doctors tried to implement in the past. They were prevented by politicians. There are no private hospitals in Ontario. Why? Don't say they would be more expensive. They were tried and they were CHEAPER. And BETTER. I was treated in one in this province. I know the facts. The best doctors Ontario produced know the facts. All most of the ignoranti in the public have never been told. Because the government can afford to repeat the lie. You don't want to be on an operating table and have a politician wielding the scalpel. It is bad medicine. You know what they do with taxes. They take everything out. Go ahead and lie on that bed. You don't want an HMO either, but that is another story. it is funny I have NEVER heard a doctor tell me what the government and some tell me about medicare. NEVER. Why is this? Why do 100% of physicians hate the system? Are they all ignorant and greedy? And the politicians are all brilliant and honest? Ray Romanow is a skilled medical practicioner who worked under different systems? It's the big lie. EC<:-}

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From: Nos Da	12/6/2011 4:21:48 PM
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Orbite Aluminae appoints Noel VP of sales, marketing 2011-12-06 15:11 ET - News Release Mr. Jacques Bedard reports ORBITE NAMES VICE-PRESIDENT OF SALES AND MARKETING Orbite Aluminae Inc. has appointed Yves Noel as vice-president of sales and marketing, effective since Oct. 17, 2011. Mr. Noel has more than twenty years' sales and marketing experience in the field of high value-added, specialized fine chemicals, particularly high purity products, with companies such as Akzo Nobel, Sandoz and Clariant. His diverse background in mining and manufacturing industries has enabled him to cultivate exceptional expertise and success in negotiating trade agreements with major clients such as AbitibiBowater, Gildan, Dow, and Rio Tinto, as well as with various global distribution partners. Over the course of his career he has built an enviable global business network of public and private companies. Mr. Noel holds a bachelor degree in chemical engineering from Laval University and a master of business administration (MBA) from the Universite du Quebec a Montreal. "With over 20 years of experience, Yves Noel brings to Orbite a solid background in sales and marketing as well as an extensive network of contacts directly suited to Orbite's immediate needs. His work experience in several industries, including mining and manufacturing, will contribute significantly to Orbite's transition towards the commercialization of its products in the short term. He joins and completes a team of handpicked, high-caliber executives at Orbite. Orbite remains on schedule for the expected initial operation of the high purity alumina facility within the first half of 2012," said Richard Boudreault, President and CEO of Orbite. "I am especially proud to join a team of dynamic and visionary top shelf experts committed to the success of an innovative organization with a profound respect for the environment and sustainable development. I have admired Orbite's rapid and enviable development for some time now and have high regard for their drive and leadership style," added Mr. Noel. The announcement of the hiring of Mr. Noel is also available in the MD&A for the third quarter 2011 which was filed on SEDAR Monday November 14. Orbite Receives Confirmation of the Filing of its Mining Lease Application Orbite Aluminae Inc. also announces that it has received confirmation from Quebec's Ministry of Natural Resources and Wildlife (MRNF) that the filing of a Mining Lease Application was dully completed with the date of record of September 14th, 2011. Orbite completed its filing application by submitting a comprehensive survey plan covering an area of approximately 98.5 hectares to the south of the municipality of Grande-Vallee. This initial area will cover the necessary ground to operate the future projected open pit operation for at least the next 25 years. This first requested Mining Lease area represents approximately one fifteenth of the area of the Marin Sector over which NI-43-101 qualified Indicated Resources of 800 to 1 000 million tons of aluminous clays averaging 23.13% Al2O3 have been reported. (Reference: Technical Report 43-101 (August 2011)). We seek Safe Harbor.

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To: E. Charters who wrote (321)	12/6/2011 4:31:17 PM
From: Mark Bartlett	12 Recommendations of 5042

Eric, <<You cannot be a patient who has come through a difficult diagnosis. I doubt anyone in your family has ever been a Cancer patient.>> Wrong on that account Xs 3. Family member with cancer, another 2 with other serious conditions ... all received EXCELLENT state of the art care. BTW -- the cancer patient is alive and well 22 years later. While I am not a doctor I worked in the "socialist" public health system for 31 years and worked with dozens of doctors throughout my career. All of the ones I worked with are quite happy with our system -- they all look to make it better, but NOT with privatized medicine as a central component of the system. BTW -- they are all financially doing very well too. Americans spend about 40% more per capita on HC with worst outcomes ... and you want to use that as a model! Every American that I speak to who comes up to my cottage area in the summer would LOVE to have our H/C system. I know a few Americans with health issues who can not switch jobs because they will lose their health insurance benefits ... I know another who is working well past retirement because it is the only way he can afford to pay for the meds his wife needs. You are right about one thing ... one of us is "laughably ignorant", but I guarantee it is not me! Cheers, - M

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