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To: koan who wrote (15912)5/3/2012 8:53:12 AM
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According to Dr. Lindzen, the findings of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change are problematic and limited because they are based on computer models which Lindzen says are "generally recognized as experimental tools whose relation to the real world is questionable."

Such a rare thing, an honest climate scientist. All of the so-called IPCC experts tout their deeply flawed models and continue to do so even after their predictions fail to come true. Climate is too complex to model with today's understanding. Believing those models is delusional.

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To: koan who wrote (15914)5/3/2012 8:55:05 AM
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Ironically, it's clear that there's a lot more money to be made shilling for the climate change skeptics and making up specious arguments to support their foregone conclusions.


Lindzen is open about his funding. Hansen sues to block discovery of his. Why is that? What is he hiding?

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From: Little Joe5/3/2012 8:57:39 AM
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Must Read\. Bill Black explains what Geitner won't admit. Fraud is at the core of our economic woes.
capitalismwithoutfailure.com 

lj

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To: Sdgla who wrote (15851)5/3/2012 9:25:48 AM
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Paul Ryan is a practising Catholic, who is a follower of Ayn Rand (an athiest) and makes his staff read Rand.

Can someone explain that to me?



I identify with Ryan on this issue. I too have read Any Rand and found the books enlightening. Much of her message is simply economic and illustrates how the idiocy of our day is ruining our future. Everyone needs to be exposed to her economic message - they can then decide if they agree with it.


One comment is that I have always thought that Ayn did not recognize that more is expected from those from whom more has been given - given in terms of brains and opportunity. More does not mean EVERYTHING as the loony left wants.


Bob

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To: Bearcatbob who wrote (15921)5/3/2012 11:23:12 AM
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<<<<Much of her message is simply economic and illustrates how the idiocy of our day is ruining our future>>>

Horse shit! There is no way you can take Ayn's atheism out of her philosophies - they are at the very heart of her belief - at her religion if you will. Objectivism. Her economics are based in atheism for goodness sake. It would be like you going to church but claiming you don't believe in God.

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To: Little Joe who wrote (15916)5/3/2012 11:33:08 AM
From: koan1 Recommendation   of 44408
 
I don't know why I cannot get this across to you guys.

1) 97% of the top PHD atmospheric chemists who study this phenomenon say AGW is real and dangerous. That should be all you need to know. Anyone with little education in this field arguing with them is a fool. IN fact at 97% anyone who does not take them seriously is a fool.

2) The issues you keep bringing up elementary and have all been considered by these scientists and are actually very very simplistic. You don't seem to understand what they DO know and what you DO NOT know and there is no chance any of these scientists overlooked the stuff you are bringing up.

3) You deniers keep saying the scientists believe in AGW because they are being paid off (which is nuts by the way), yet when it is shown guys like Lindzen are actually being paid big money ($2,500 a day to talk their crap), then it doesn't matter.

There is no logic to your arguments, just rants.




<<Koan:

Who cares where his money comes from or whatever. This is the same trick the left plays over and over again. Demonize the opposition but never engage their arguments. Instead of being concerned about who funds a scientist, I would suggest that you ask yourself these questions.

1. The MWP is an historic fact that has never been questioned until Global Warming Theory emerged. Has anyone successfully answered the question of how the earth warmed in those pre-industrial times.

2. AGW theorists claim there will be a hot spot in the southern troposphere if the theory is correct. Where is the hot spot?

3. Can you name one AGW computer model that has acccurately explained what we are seeing?

4. Do you totally dismiss the obvious fraud evident in the Climate gate emails?

5. How do you account for the growing evidence that the earth is not warming and the ice caps are again growing?

I am not going to go on because you will probably answer with the DEm Talking points that there is a mythical consensus? This is all you can do, because you can't answer the questions. There appears to be no one on the global warming side that will debate the issue, because there is a consensus, according to them. The fact is Gore and his cronies know they can't defend their position.

By the way on the Climate Depot site there is a list of 1,000 scientists that disagree with AGW.

I will write your answer for you.

My son-in-law blah blah blah

153% of scientists agree with AGW

Exxon has spent billions attacking AGW

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To: Sdgla who wrote (15917)5/3/2012 11:37:20 AM
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<<If you go back and read your posts you quite possibly see my rational for my claim koan.

Poor grammar, lousy spelling and incomplete sentences have as much to do with existentialism as you do.>>


The above has nothing to do with existentialism. Existentialism is something you understand or you don't. And it takes years of study to understand it, and see it in one's minds' eye. Same with Zen.

They are very complicated abstract concepts.

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To: koan who wrote (15923)5/3/2012 11:38:33 AM
From: Steve Lokness1 Recommendation   of 44408
 
<<<<97% of the top PHD atmospheric chemists who study this phenomenon say AGW is real and dangerous>>>>>

It is the nature of - in fact the very definition of - "conservatives". They are the very last to change as their inborn nature is not to change. Sooooo, they are even able to rationalize melting glaciers.

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To: sm1th who wrote (15918)5/3/2012 11:39:36 AM
From: koan   of 44408
 
Lindzen is considered a whore and a clown among the top atmospheric scientist's.

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According to Dr. Lindzen, the findings of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change are problematic and limited because they are based on computer models which Lindzen says are "generally recognized as experimental tools whose relation to the real world is questionable."

Such a rare thing, an honest climate scientist. All of the so-called IPCC experts tout their deeply flawed models and continue to do so even after their predictions fail to come true. Climate is too complex to model with today's understanding. Believing those models is delusional.


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From: koan5/3/2012 11:48:10 AM
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"It is not enough in a situation of trust in the commonwealth, that a man means well to his country; it is not enough that in his single person he never did an evil act, but always voted according to his conscience, and even harangued against every design which he apprehended to be prejudicial to the interests of his country. This innoxious and ineffectual character, that seems formed upon a plan of apology and disculpation, falls miserably short of the mark of public duty. That duty demands and requires that what is right should not only be made known, but made prevalent; that what is evil should not only be detected, but defeated. When the public man omits to put himself in a situation of doing his duty with effect it is an omission that frustrates the purposes of his trust almost as much as if he had formally betrayed it. It is surely no very rational account of a man's life, that he has always acted right but has taken special care to act in such a manner that his endeavours could not possibly be productive of any consequence."

Edmund Burke

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