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To: TimF who wrote (14108)3/31/2012 10:53:46 AM
From: JBTFD   of 44239
 
In the 60s a lot of health care was non profit. We have seen a shift over the past 30-40 years from a system where much of it was non profit to a system where profits drives the whole thing. I agree with you that when it comes to health care in the US we have the worst case scenario. Costs spiraling up and lowering standards of care. The profit motive adds in a built in conflict of interest. On the one side is the best care for the patient, and on the other side is the desire to keep costs down so profits will be higher.

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To: Little Joe who wrote (14104)3/31/2012 10:55:23 AM
From: JBTFD   of 44239
 
The more it has switched from non profit to for profit the worse it has gotten.

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To: JBTFD who wrote (14110)3/31/2012 10:59:22 AM
From: Sdgla1 Recommendation   of 44239
 
You started out with the right is out of control and in control of the country as well and you end up with both sides being irresponsible.

The fact is Obama has {and is planning more} spent us into oblivion and, at the same time, made us weaker on the global stage.

Why bring previous POTUS's into the discussion ? We are in agreement wrt both parties but the left has been in charge since 2006 and that needs to change. It is the Dem controlled Senate and WH that is not even dreaming about anything but more debt and deficits while the GOP House has multiple proposals sitting in H Reids desk drawer.

Care to back up your statement re the right with facts ?

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To: JBTFD who wrote (14113)3/31/2012 11:00:41 AM
From: Sdgla2 Recommendations   of 44239
 
More BS. The more the Government has placed itself in between the Doctors and the patients the worse it has gotten.

Remove the regs and force the insurance corps to compete across state lines and fix the tort laws.

Thats the beggining.

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To: JBTFD who wrote (14112)3/31/2012 11:24:14 AM
From: longnshort1 Recommendation   of 44239
 
healthcare went up when the gov got involved. Doc would come to your house for 10 bucks. The gov fukks up everything

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To: JBTFD who wrote (14112)3/31/2012 11:30:56 AM
From: TimF1 Recommendation   of 44239
 
In the 60s a lot of health care was non profit.

1 - Non profit doesn't mean government.

2 - In 2012 a lot of health care is non profit. Non profit hospitals, non-profit insurance companies etc.

If we had moved away from non-profit (and we haven't) it wouldn't be privatization. The actual move that happened is a massive move to government. In 1960 there was no Medicare, Medicaid, CHIP, Obamacare, Romneycare, and there was a lot less regulation of health care and health insurance. There where financial reporting and anti-fraud regulation, but not long lists of items that have to be covered, and even can't have co-pays or deductibles rather than being a matter of the contract for the insurance. There was more emphasis on covering major insurable risks, things you couldn't pay for out of pocket if they happened to you. Now there is a lot of cost insulation, predicitble regular costs still get covered, meaning that 1 - People don't directly feel the extra cost as much so they are less cost conscious when buying health care which helps the price rise., and 2 - People still pay for it, since they buy the insurance (or their employer does but then that's part of their compensation, and in effect they are still buying it), and they pay the markup for the insurance company as well.

Moving the discussion a bit further afield another major reason for cost increases is that productivity in health care lags that in other industries. See en.wikipedia.org 

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From: Brumar893/31/2012 11:31:05 AM
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Global Campaign for Climate Action pushing ‘spin’
Posted on March 31, 2012 by Editor | 1 Comment

A GLOBAL lobby group has distributed a “spin sheet” encouraging its 300 member organisations to emphasise the link between climate change and extreme weather events, despite uncertainties acknowledged by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

An “action pack” distributed by Global Campaign for Climate Action said members “shouldn’t be afraid to make the connection”, despite the sometimes low level of confidence in the official documents of the IPCC. The action pack, which was produced to coincide with the release of the latest full IPCC report into the link between climate change and extreme weather events, rekindled claims that overstating the case damaged the credibility of the science.

“What this leaked document shows is again we have groups out there promoting more extreme situations than the report actually warrants because the latest report shows there are degrees of uncertainty,” said Institute of Public Affairs climate spokesman Tim Wilson.

“When the claims don’t correlate it undermines the confidence that people can actually have in climate science.”

But Climate Institute chief executive John Connor said the evidence of a link was growing.

An executive summary, released ahead of the UN climate change conference in Durban in November, listed the low level of scientific certainty in many areas regarding what climate meant for future weather events.

The full report also presented a cautious appraisal and said it was unable to answer confidently whether climate was becoming more extreme.

But GCCA told its member organisations to “use the precautionary principle to argue that we must take potential risks seriously even if the science doesn’t offer high confidence”.

“Generally, all weather events are now connected to climate change, because we have altered the fundamental condition of the climate, that is, the background environment that gives rise to all weather,” the action plan said.

GCCA has about 300 members worldwide including Greenpeace, Oxfam, WWF, Environment America, the Union of Concerned Scientists, Amnesty International and Pew Environment Group.

The group highlights its direct action campaigns in the US, Canada and China.

The action pack suggests “sample tweets” for member groups.

They include “New #IPCC report finds links between global warming and extreme weather events”. And “current measures not enough to protect ANY countries from extreme weather driven by global warming. Time to act is now!”

The document gives examples of how to respond to criticisms about the IPCC’s links to non-government organisations, its poor track record in scientific predictions and claims that the response to the IPCC findings was alarmist.

The Australian

http://junkscience.com/2012/03/31/global-campaign-for-climate-action-pushing-spin/

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From: Brumar893/31/2012 11:38:35 AM
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Everyone remember 8:30 pm tonight is Earth Hour ... the nation of NK is likely to be the repeat winner of this year's Earth Hour:

The winner for Earth Hour every year since 2003 - North Korea. Odds favor them to be the winner again this year.

I plan to turn my porch lights on to honor the past century's technological achievements.

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To: JBTFD who wrote (14113)3/31/2012 11:57:38 AM
From: Little Joe   of 44239
 
I haven't noticed that at all.

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To: Little Joe who wrote (14106)3/31/2012 12:17:35 PM
From: Steve Lokness   of 44239
 
<<<<<What the hell is going on? >>>>>>

Where's the end game here for republicans? If Obama Care gets thrown out - a real possibility it now looks like. What next? Do we go back to when people didn't have to pay their own health care cost?

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