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From: Maurice Winn8/11/2011 5:58:13 AM
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With all that data storage and computer processing power, GNOM could turn into an authentication company, providing absolute verification of identity.

<By using our analytical tools and data management software, our customers can significantly reduce their investments in computing infrastructure. Our customers are provided with reliable access to assembled and annotated sequence data in multiple formats to ease data sharing and comparative analyses. As the reagent cost of sequencing declines, we believe that the cost and complexity of data analysis and management will emerge as the primary limiting factor for conducting complete human genome analysis. >

Rather than banks, governments, companies, other entities, and individuals trying to store, manage and report authentication for umpty million individuals, it could be done by a company like GNOM with distributed data centres around the world for secure storage of information and ease, speed and reliability of access.


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From: Maurice Winn8/16/2011 2:22:14 AM
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Complete Genomics up 50%. Not bad. My $7.17 Tonka Truckload of shares is now in paper profit.

Imagine how much GNOM will go up when the company is in profit rather than spending money flat out.


Currently $284 million market capitalisation. When it's 1000 times that, it will be bigger than Qualcomm, Microsoft and most other companies. It will be bigger than Apple too.

Identity and authentication are vast opportunities in Cyberspace. GNOM could [potentially] morph into an identity/authentication company. DNA is absolute identification. Computing power is authentication.


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From: Maurice Winn9/4/2011 6:21:23 PM
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forbes.com 

Cancer treatment depends on precise DNA testing. Modern medical treatment is sophisticated and expensive.



<On Friday, Pfizerannounced that its new gene-targeted lung cancer drug, Xalkori, will cost $9,600 per patient per month, meaning it could cost $80,000 or more for the average patient. But Xalkori is only effective in about 5% of patients whose tumors have a mutation in a gene called ALK. As biotech executive Gautam Kollu noted on Twitter, the real cost of the drug is $9,600 plus 25 ALK tests, because that’s how many patients will need to be screened for one to actually get Xalkori (which up until now was known by the generic name crizotinib.)
Abbott Laboratories makes the ALK test through its Vysis unit, and I asked a spokesman how much it would cost. Like the test for Roche’s Herceptin, a type of test called a FISH test is used. The spokesman said:

An ALK test, including the pathology service, will be approximately $1,500 (a one time cost). The price we charge for the test kit itself is less than $250, which is similar to other FISH tests.

It’s not clear to me whether or not all of that $1,500 represents costs that would not have previously been paid for these lung cancer patients (I’ve asked Pfizer and Abbott) but that could mean that for every person who gets Xalkori, the system will pay another $30,000 on top of the cost of the drug. (Update: Most of the cost is for pathology services, and multiple tests could be combined in that panel. See below.)


Given those costs, it’s easy to see how DNA sequencing in cancer might have a market in the future. That’s one of the big potential markets for companies like Illumina, Complete Genomics, and Life Technologies, which are sequencing whole human genomes at a cost of $5,000 or less. Remember, though, those technologies could carry extra pathology costs, too
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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (3)9/13/2011 5:38:15 AM
From: TheSlowLane   of 45
 
From what little I know about sequencing, one of the biggest challenges remains long reads. Sequencing technologies have been getting faster and while read lengths are getting longer incrementally, a quantum leap in read lengths is what may provide the next breakthrough for this sector. Soon.

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To: TheSlowLane who wrote (4)9/14/2011 3:09:39 AM
From: Maurice Winn   of 45
 
Since the cost and speed have been improving from $billions and years to $millions and years and now to weeks and $000s, it seems the trend is likely to continue [from a position of near complete ignorance]<Sequencing technologies have been getting faster and while read lengths are getting longer incrementally, a quantum leap in read lengths is what may provide the next breakthrough for this sector>


Hopefully you are right and that Complete Genomics is the leader in read lengths, speed and cost.


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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (5)9/15/2011 4:33:20 PM
From: idos   of 45
 
The cost and speed have indeed been improving rapidly but demand hasn't been keeping pace.
The leader in read lengths is PacBio but no system is perfect.

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To: idos who wrote (6)9/15/2011 5:24:53 PM
From: Maurice Winn   of 45
 
There are 6,000,000,000 people so there's a lot of demand at the right price. They get replaced every few decades too. Also, animal breeders could probably use the information to get high precision in their breeding programmes instead of luck of the draw.

So it's a matter of price.

And once the price is right, then medical treatments will probably follow, tailored to individuals. Those treatments no doubt already exist but are not targetted precisely enough so have been rejected as unusable.

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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (7)9/16/2011 7:48:28 AM
From: idos   of 45
 
>There are 6,000,000,000 people so there's a lot of demand at the right price<

If you take a look at GNOM's costumers list you won't find 'people' there, rather the research community - big academic centers, institutions, and agencies. GNOM is focused on whole genome sequencing services and it is not alone. ILMN has it's own service network and is competing on price for large projects and BGI is another player that cannot be ignored.
Agree about your point that when the price is low enough, demand will increase but at current price and budgets cut, impact to GNOM might be negative near term.

>once the price is right, then medical treatments will probably follow<

Potential is there but not likely without having a CLIA certification (ILMN does have one) in a year or so.

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To: idos who wrote (8)9/16/2011 10:51:59 PM
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Thanks for the information: < ILMN has it's own service network and is competing on price for large projects and BGI is another player that cannot be ignored. > I'm new to this so don't understand much.


I'll ask Bing what that is: <Potential is there but not likely without having a CLIA certification >


From the website following, it looks as though CLIA is unnecessary if GNOM doesn't try to get payments from Medicare or Medicaid. <If you take a look at GNOM's costumers list you won't find 'people' there, rather the research community - big academic centers, institutions, and agencies > cms.gov 

< The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) regulates all laboratory testing (except research) performed on humans in the U.S. through the Clinical Laboratory Improvement Amendments (CLIA). In total, CLIA covers approximately 225,000 laboratory entities. The Division of Laboratory Services, within the Survey and Certification Group, under the Center for Medicaid and State Operations (CMSO) has the responsibility for implementing the CLIA Program.
The objective of the CLIA program is to ensure quality laboratory testing. Although all clinical laboratories must be properly certified to receive Medicare or Medicaid payments, CLIA has no direct Medicare or Medicaid program responsibilities.
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But certification is cheap enough, so might as well have it: cms.gov 

GNOM does not do testing on people. They test DNA samples, which presumably is like 23andMe do from saliva. <Customers send a plate of DNA samples> Maybe "testing on people" includes anything related to people [rather than plants and animals]. Maybe looking at saliva is considered to be "testing on people".



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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (7)9/16/2011 10:56:44 PM
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Complete Genomics is totally focused on people: <Also, animal breeders could probably use the information to get high precision in their breeding programmes instead of luck of the draw >


From the profile of Complete Genomics: futuremedicine.com  <Complete Genomics Inc. is a life sciences company that focuses on complete human genome sequencing. It is taking a completely different approach to DNA sequencing than other companies in the industry. Rather than building a general-purpose platform for sequencing all organisms and all applications, it has focused on a single application – complete human genome sequencing. >

In decades to come, they could expand, but the big money is probably in people - though getting a really good kind of wheat, corn, or rice would be pretty good too. It's a wide open field.

The quality control for human production is appalling. Taking out the guesswork would be a great help to mothers.

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