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From: one_less5/25/2012 2:55:13 PM
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Present.

For further discourse on this actual on topic topic you'll have to go to the other EVOLUTION board as this board is usually reserved for different types of discussion. :))
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To: one_less who wrote (65)5/25/2012 8:38:55 PM
From: Giordano Bruno   of 194
 
> It seems right may be the most confidence we can muster. <

An interesting sentence.
Much of our overall knowledge is, in fact, dogmatic and awating inevitable revision.

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To: Giordano Bruno who wrote (86)5/25/2012 10:23:54 PM
From: LLCF   of 194
 
Good point, basic science courses teach that "theories" are constantly behind upgraded and revised. That's what some of the "anti-evolutionists" miss... they think when a theory is revised it is a bad thing... Or was "wrong" and is to be tossed out. A bit ignorant of the process.

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To: one_less who wrote (85)5/26/2012 10:06:21 PM
From: LLCF   of 194
 
The "emergent property" idea reminds me of the material vs "life force" argument in biology.

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To: LLCF who wrote (88)5/27/2012 12:41:48 PM
From: one_less1 Recommendation   of 194
 
Vitalism supports the notion of emergence. Emergence, however, extends beyond the mysterious controversies proposed by vitalists. Emergence encourages further study where as vitalism tends to explain away any further need for additional scientific inquiry. Emergence is not necessarily bound in organics, it is used in broader senses even that reality is emergent,.

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To: one_less who wrote (89)5/27/2012 2:59:24 PM
From: LLCF   of 194
 
Don't know much about vitalism.... agree on emergence.

Here's a pretty good summation of some of the more "fringe" (according to conventional medical science) work that has been done in biophysics relating to what we're talking about:

emergentmind.org 

There's a PDF version somewhere.

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To: Giordano Bruno who wrote (86)5/29/2012 3:19:15 PM
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"Much of our overall knowledge is, in fact, dogmatic ..."
"...and awaiting inevitable revision."

All reality, whether great or small is awaiting the "more to it" revelations. Even though it is the best utterance we can muster at any particular moment in time, our conscious awareness does not rest with "it seems right." Greater truth is always itching to be revealed. Our understanding of every distinguishable entity and to make further distinctions continues to grow, as every entity continues to grow and evolve (even those we have labeled extinct or obsolete. Higher consciousness is always being nagged in the direction of removing uncertainty as we and our consciousness is involved in the process of evolution. We may have an inkling about anything, where our inquiry is bound to reveal greater understanding and clarity. It helps to engage in esoteric thought processes help to accelerate the process... just as oppression of thought processes stifles the process to some extent. This segways nicely into the topic of 'emergent reality rippling through existence,' which is also under consideration here.

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To: one_less who wrote (91)5/29/2012 6:02:16 PM
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sorry that post was in dire need of an edit, I didn't proof it earlier ... here ya go.

All reality, whether great or small is awaiting the "more to it" revelations. Even though "it seems right" may be the best we can muster at any particular moment in time, our conscious awareness does not rest with "it seems right."

Greater truth is always itching to be revealed. Our understanding of every distinguishable entity is constantly improving. We continue to make further distinctions and we continue to grow those we have already established. Nothing truly ends, as every entity continues to grow and evolve, even those we have labeled extinct or obsolete. Higher consciousness is always being nagged in the direction of removing uncertainty as we are involved in the process of evolution. It helps to engage in esoteric thought processes, which tend to accelerate the process... just as oppression of thought processes stifles the process to some extent.

This segways nicely into the topic of 'emergent reality rippling through existence,' which is just beginning to be taken under consideration on this thread.

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To: one_less who wrote (92)5/29/2012 6:49:14 PM
From: Giordano Bruno   of 194
 
Without uncertainty one can never discover true emergent reality.
Certainty is your enemy and in constant battle for the right to be inflexibly right.

Newtonian (reality) physics alone is primed to be shattered but don't ask me how because I don't know.

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To: Giordano Bruno who wrote (93)5/30/2012 12:35:18 PM
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Newton would never have said, "Ok that explains it all, let's stop here." Newtonian physics represents a view of reality which contains valid truths regarding physical laws. It does not stand alone, however, as the only source of information we have available to us which can be used to explain the physical universe, not to mention the infinitely complex aspects of existence which are not physical and which are unified with the physical. Quantum physics expands our understanding of the physical universe in new and innovative ways. Einstein went on to propose the Unified Field Theory, which now stands with significant validation.

Why should we be limited by siphoned information designed to create subservient conformists, when life is so short and there is so much more we can be and become. Strict ideologies which impose artificial limits leave us feeling uncertain for a reason...not because they are necessarily untrue in their own berth of understanding but because we have a conditional ordinance, endemic to our humanity, which drives us to seek greater understanding. Acceptence of the imperative to grow and to evolve is enough, in and of itself, to make life well worth it.

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