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To: ecrire who wrote (9512)6/14/2012 11:10:27 AM
From: Keith Feral   of 13265
 
Why take the optimistic view for Spain? Their entire banking system is punked! They probably won't have normal access to the credit markets for years.

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To: Oblivious who wrote (9514)6/14/2012 11:12:58 AM
From: Keith Feral   of 13265
 
OPEC keeping oil production unchanged. Good job, Saudi Arabia.

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To: Keith Feral who wrote (9516)6/14/2012 11:24:05 AM
From: ecrire   of 13265
 
U.S. banks, saddled with bad housing loans, were bailed out and have recovered.
Admittedly Spain is worse but the same principle applies.

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From: Keith Feral6/14/2012 11:31:11 AM
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BOJ making all kinds of preparations for Greece election. They want to prevent the YEN from going up too much.

It's very interesting to see their chief concern is avoiding a lending problem in Spain and Italy. Spain's housing market is still a couple years away from repair. They have definitely joined the subprime club like the rest of the PIIGS, ex Italy. Who knows when Italy will come to grips with their housing market. Maybe the can get by on their own. They probably have the highest probability of avoiding a bailout for their banks, which is the most sophisticated financial system of any of the PIIGS.

This is the highest Defcon level for the market since fall 2008. The warning levels are probably at level 4 out of 5. The only diffference is that Europe's problems are Europe's problems, and nothing is going to make Spain's housing bubble any better for a couple years.

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To: Keith Feral who wrote (9519)6/14/2012 11:36:38 AM
From: Oblivious   of 13265
 
Egypt in turmoil as well.

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To: Jane4IceCream who wrote (9515)6/14/2012 11:40:56 AM
From: gizwick   of 13265
 
Too bad the "Just Say No" campaign didn't work out. Today's generation thinks it is just say yes. To more debt, more drugs, more etc. Anything goes unfortunately. I am sounding like my mother forty years age.

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To: Keith Feral who wrote (9513)6/14/2012 12:24:09 PM
From: Brian Sullivan   of 13265
 
I thought that this was called "You reap what sow", eventually that is, after putting it off for as long as possible. I seem to remember 18% interest rates in the USA at the end of 70's. Even 7% rates seem low to me as a 20th century man. It is also called "paying the piper".

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To: Brian Sullivan who wrote (9522)6/14/2012 12:33:51 PM
From: Keith Feral   of 13265
 
If we had 7% interest rates on $17 trillion debt, we'd be paying over $1 trillion a year to service the debt. At 1%, we're paying closer to $170 billion. Having economic sovereignty does have it's benefits since our national debt only costs about 1% of GDP rather than 5 or 6% or higher.

The worst thing about PIIGS is the higher interest rates are compounding the debt problem in Europe. This is really the driving force behind austerity.

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To: Keith Feral who wrote (9523)6/14/2012 1:05:05 PM
From: Oblivious   of 13265
 
US Open started today.

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To: Keith Feral who wrote (9523)6/14/2012 1:10:03 PM
From: Oblivious1 Recommendation   of 13265
 
Allen Stanford Sentenced to 110 Years in Prison -Reports
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