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To: sylvester80 who wrote (17106)3/8/2012 9:19:50 PM
From: zax
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Microsoft: OnLive's Windows-on-iPad service violates license
By Jon Brodkin

arstechnica.com


OnLive's hosted Windows 7 desktop running on an iPad

Gaming company OnLive (see our 2010 review of their streaming games service) recently launched a service bringing a Windows 7 desktop, complete with Microsoft Office 2010, to iPad and Android tablets. The free app, which also has a subscription service with features designed for both consumers and enterprises, gives iPad users access to the real version of Microsoft Office—not just to a program compatible with Office files. It also has the ability to run Adobe Flash content in Internet Explorer.

There's just one problem: Microsoft says it's not properly licensed. The software giant is apparently asking OnLive for some cash in exchange for the right to continue the service, which is still working today.

"We are actively engaged with OnLive with the hope of bringing them into a properly licensed scenario, and we are committed to seeing this issue is resolved,
" said Microsoft's Joe Matz, VP of worldwide licensing and pricing, in a blog post today. OnLive Desktop launched for the iPad on January 10 of this year. An Android tablet version was released a week ago.

License check Microsoft has licensing options for partners who want to provide Windows in virtual desktop settings, but those options apparently don't cover the OnLive service as it exists today. Hosted instances of Windows 7 can be provided in a virtual desktop infrastructure setting when the end users—the people using the desktops—have licenses from Microsoft, Matz writes.

Additionally, hosting vendors with Microsoft's Services Provider License Agreement (SPLA) "may bring some desktop-like functionality as a service by using Windows Server and Remote Desktop Services." Using the SPLA lets vendors offer the desktop-like service to any customers, even if they don't have licenses to Windows. But OnLive's service doesn't qualify, Microsoft said. "SPLA does not support delivery of Windows 7 as a hosted client or provide the ability to access Office as a service through Windows 7. Office may only be provided as a service if it is hosted on Windows Server and Remote Desktop Services."

The Windows 7 instance provided by OnLive includes Word, Excel, and PowerPoint 2010, in an almost-complete Windows 7 desktop. One thing it seems to be missing is the ability to check the Windows 7 license status. However, users can check the Office 2010 license. That has a product key and states that the software is licensed to "OnLive Desktop User" and "OnLive Desktop Service."



Microsoft Word for iPad, licensed to "OnLive Desktop User" … or perhaps not

The analyst firm Gartner questioned whether OnLive's service meets Microsoft licensing terms on February 29, stating that "OnLive has not disclosed to us how it is complying with Microsoft licensing." Gartner also noted that Microsoft has not provided clear guidance on how users of such products must comply with Microsoft licensing requirements. It's possible users might end up having to pay Microsoft.

"Gartner believes that there's also a risk that Microsoft could hold both OnLive and its customers responsible for any potential mislicensing," the analyst group said.

Brian Madden, who writes extensively about desktop virtualization, wrote that "based on everything we know about Microsoft licensing, this [the OnLive service] should be in clear violation of Microsoft's policies." Further, Madden writes that other vendors are "crying foul" over OnLive's ability to provide virtual desktops to customers without requiring the users to buy their own licenses. The vendors say "it's hard for them to compete against a company who apparently doesn't have to license Microsoft products like the rest of the world does," Madden wrote.

It's been rumored that Microsoft is working on an Office application for the iPad. In the meantime, OnLive isn't the only vendor trying to fill the Office gap on the device. A company called Nivio is promising Windows and Office access on the iPad and many other devices, but the service hasn't launched yet. Nivio's announcement doesn't mention licensing, but the model seems a bit different from OnLive's. It will possibly require users to pay for the right to use the software. Applications such as Office will be available through an app store, and "users pay for the software and storage they need, as they need it," Nivio said.

We've contacted an OnLive spokesperson for a response about Microsoft's allegation, but have not received one as of publication. UPDATE: OnLive responded to our inquiry, but declined to provide any comment.

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From: Doren3/8/2012 10:31:12 PM
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Boring stuff. Nothing has changed my attitude about Apple thus far. They are continuing to accelerate their money supermagnet. No change in sight.

No android companies worth investing in.

Windows and Microsoft are cooked although the Widows phones look interesting. Balmer is a giant ball and chain on that company. Old ways of looking at things old ways of managing. Nothing will happen there until Balmer is gone.

HP is dead. Dell is dead. Their models don't work anymore and their management is a bunch of old farts.

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To: sylvester80 who wrote (17106)3/8/2012 10:35:33 PM
From: zax
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When Onlive, the network gaming company, started offering not just Microsoft Windows but Microsoft Office for free on the iPad, and now on Android, it certainly seemed too good to be true. Speculation abounded on what type of license they could be using to accomplish this magical feat. From sifting through Microsoft's licenses and speaking with sources very familiar with them, the ugly truth may be that they can't.

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From: iggyl3/9/2012 12:01:38 AM
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Google threatening Android app makers who use alternative payment services
By Josh Ong
Thursday, March 8, 2012 @ 11:24 PM

iphone.appleinsider.com

A new report claims Google has been threatening developers that it will remove from its Google Play app market Android apps that eschew its Google Wallet payment service in favor of third-party options.

Developers, executives and investors in the mobile gaming and payment sectors have indicated to Reuters that Google has warned that accepting in-app payments from services like PayPal, Zong and Boku violates its terms of use.

"[Google] told people that if they used other payment services they would be breaking the terms of use," Si Shen, founder and chief executive of Android social gaming network Papaya, told the publication. "Whether it's right or wrong, we have to follow the rules."

The Android Market Developer Distribution Agreement states: "All fees received by Developers for Products distributed via the Market must be processed by the Market's Payment Processor." A payment processor is defined as "any party authorized by Google to provide payment processing services that enable Developers with optional Payment Accounts to charge Device users for Products distributed via the Market."

Though the policy has been described by some as an effort to simplify the consumer payment experience, others view it as an unfair advantage for Google's in-house service, especially since Google Wallet takes a higher cut than some of its competitors. Google's share usually amounts to 30 percent, the same as Apple's take for the App Store.

The enforcement of Google Wallet as the exclusive Android payment solution is the latest in a series of decisions that have tightened restrictions for the mobile operating system, a marked difference from the platform's early days when it was less regulated. Some have taken the new strictures to be a concession by Google that Apple's more closed ecosystem is the better alternative. The Mountain View, Calif., company's recent efforts to rebrand its Android Market under an umbrella Google Play storefront that includes its digital music and book stores has drawn comparisons to Apple's iTunes branding.

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To: Doren who wrote (17108)3/9/2012 3:26:38 AM
From: sinclap
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Last I heard, M$ and Dell are doing just fine. Plus the M$ shareholders are enjoying their dividend checks today.

You seemed worried about something. Could it be that the pre-order ship dates except for the att iPad has not increased?

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From: sylvester803/9/2012 7:35:41 AM
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New Rumored Galaxy Tab to Eclipse new iPad with 2560 x 1600 WXQGA screen and 2GHz Exynos dual core A15 (4x as fast as A5X) and quad-core ARM Mali-T604 GPU

androidandme.com

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To: zax who wrote (17109)3/9/2012 7:49:54 AM
From: sylvester80
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Microsoft is trying to hang on to a dying model while mobile devices and cloud services are moving at warp speed to make Microsoft's old model irrelevant.

Think about it...How long before the OnLive Windows 7 and Office suite service, after being strong armed by Microsoft to abandoned their model or make it so expensive that it becomes unpopular, that OnLive would turn to a Linux distribution and OpenOffice???? OnLive can probably do that in under 60 minutes. In other words replace Windows 7 with one of the so many free Linux distributions and OpenOffice. I actually have stopped using MS Office and have been using OpenOffice for 3 years now and never looked back. So I will be all for it.

So how exactly that helps Microsoft??

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From: sylvester803/9/2012 8:02:00 AM
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Samsung about to leapfrog new iPad....OMG! New Galaxy Tab (2560x1600) to have 1 million pixels more than new iPad and an Exynos processor that is 4x faster than the A5X to drive it... I LOVE IT! This is incredible power and unheard of in the tablet market...

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To: sylvester80 who wrote (17114)3/9/2012 8:12:16 AM
From: puborectalis
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I'd rather own and buy from an American company rather than state-supported Korean one.

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To: puborectalis who wrote (17115)3/9/2012 8:19:45 AM
From: sylvester80
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Nothing you buy from crApple is made in America. All in China. I would rather buy from a Korean one than a greedy criminal unethical enterprise who uses people like cattle in sweat shops and murdering people all for their greed in China. It's the only way to send a clear message to the crApple greedy criminal fascists.

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